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Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:06 pm
by KCPowercat
As an interested buyer I'd provide any feedback.
Doesn't the city have some ownership the old Populous garage? Seems they could carve out a parking agreement
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:51 pm
by Walker
Would love to take a look at the concepts this coming week. PM me
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:48 pm
by normalthings
5th & Main transfer to Port KC approved. Bunch and Ellington tried to put this on hold.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:17 pm
by ToDactivist
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:48 pm
5th & Main transfer to Port KC approved. Bunch and Ellington tried to put this on hold.
what was Bunch's issue?
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:19 pm
by ToDactivist
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:06 pm
As an interested buyer I'd provide any feedback.
Doesn't the city have some ownership the old Populous garage? Seems they could carve out a parking agreement
I had heard there had been some lawsuit - unsure issues and who - then the city had been bought out and I think by 3Y. Hearsay so Collison may know
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:49 pm
by DaveKCMO
ToDactivist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:17 pm
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:48 pm
5th & Main transfer to Port KC approved. Bunch and Ellington tried to put this on hold.
what was Bunch's issue?
Too much fucking parking?
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:29 pm
by TheLastGentleman
DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:49 pm
ToDactivist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:17 pm
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:48 pm
5th & Main transfer to Port KC approved. Bunch and Ellington tried to put this on hold.
what was Bunch's issue?
Too much fucking parking?
In this town? Never!
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:59 pm
by normalthings
DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:49 pm
ToDactivist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:17 pm
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:48 pm
5th & Main transfer to Port KC approved. Bunch and Ellington tried to put this on hold.
what was Bunch's issue?
Too much fucking parking?
400 spaces of which 160 are for the public.
240 spots for 300 apartments, 30k sqft office, and retail doesn’t sound bad. The office portion alone would command 90-120 spots per the standard downtown office parking ratio. That leaves 120 spaces for the 300 units. If they weren’t required to replace the existing public lot it probably wouldn’t be that bad of a deal. IMHO it starts falling apart with the parking replacement.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:17 am
by DaveKCMO
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:59 pm
DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:49 pm
ToDactivist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:17 pm
what was Bunch's issue?
Too much fucking parking?
400 spaces of which 160 are for the public.
240 spots for 300 apartments, 30k sqft office, and retail doesn’t sound bad. The office portion alone would command 90-120 spots per the standard downtown office parking ratio. That leaves 120 spaces for the 300 units. If they weren’t required to replace the existing public lot it probably wouldn’t be that bad of a deal. IMHO it starts falling apart with the parking replacement.
Yes, which is all the city. One hand says OMG too much parking and then the other hand insists on full replacement of all spaces and meeting suburban-style minimums.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:55 am
by Rabble
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:59 pm
DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:49 pm
ToDactivist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:17 pm
what was Bunch's issue?
Too much fucking parking?
400 spaces of which 160 are for the public.
240 spots for 300 apartments, 30k sqft office, and retail doesn’t sound bad. The office portion alone would command 90-120 spots per the standard downtown office parking ratio. That leaves 120 spaces for the 300 units. If they weren’t required to replace the existing public lot it probably wouldn’t be that bad of a deal. IMHO it starts falling apart with the parking replacement.
Any chance of Main becoming a street again? Seems like that would help with both parking and circulation.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:57 pm
by normalthings
Rabble wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:55 am
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:59 pm
DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:49 pm
Too much fucking parking?
400 spaces of which 160 are for the public.
240 spots for 300 apartments, 30k sqft office, and retail doesn’t sound bad. The office portion alone would command 90-120 spots per the standard downtown office parking ratio. That leaves 120 spaces for the 300 units. If they weren’t required to replace the existing public lot it probably wouldn’t be that bad of a deal. IMHO it starts falling apart with the parking replacement.
Any chance of Main becoming a street again? Seems like that would help with both parking and circulation.
You could suggest that to Port KC.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:04 pm
by Eon Blue
I'd think even making Main a one-way NB street to couple with Delaware would help circulation. Put a right-in, right-out entrance to the garage mid block between 5th Street and "4th Street". Then make both intersections at 3rd and 5th right-in, right-out as well and you avoid queues in front of the streetcar.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:36 pm
by ToDactivist
Eon Blue wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:04 pm
I'd think even making Main a one-way NB street to couple with Delaware would help circulation. Put a right-in, right-out entrance to the garage mid block between 5th Street and "4th Street". Then make both intersections at 3rd and 5th right-in, right-out as well and you avoid queues in front of the streetcar.
I have seen a plan that does just that. Main one-way NB with ingress into garage and added some parking east of park.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:44 pm
by flyingember
Don't reconnect Main. It wouldn't be safe for pedestrians to put more cars in a place that is a park today
But right in, right out absolutely. The market should be clockwise travel only during morning market hours. Get people to take Wyandotte. There's a lot of problems with cars turning right from Indep Ave onto Delaware and shifting so no right turn onto Delaware from Indep Ave and no right turn from Delaware to 5th is also needed
A dead-end stub that ends half a block up and people exit onto 5th could work very well. It gets entering traffic off of 5th so except at peak cars waiting to get in aren't blocking the street
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:04 pm
by Rabble
flyingember wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:44 pm
Don't reconnect Main. It wouldn't be safe for pedestrians to put more cars in a place that is a park today
But right in, right out absolutely. The market should be clockwise travel only during morning market hours. Get people to take Wyandotte. There's a lot of problems with cars turning right from Indep Ave onto Delaware and shifting so no right turn onto Delaware from Indep Ave and no right turn from Delaware to 5th is also needed
A dead-end stub that ends half a block up and people exit onto 5th could work very well. It gets entering traffic off of 5th so except at peak cars waiting to get in aren't blocking the street
Reconnect both Main and Fourth just like the city did Walnut, then let developers build on the park. The City Market buildings need to be surrounded by density, not green space and surface lots. Build a park north with a view of the river.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:25 pm
by KCPowercat
I have no desire for 4th to reconnect to Delaware. I'd prefer Delaware close TBH.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:25 pm
by flyingember
Getting rid of a park takes a public vote. This one will get public notice because there's no other city park in the river market and a huge number of people are aware of it
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:48 pm
by Riverite
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:25 pm
I have no desire for 4th to reconnect to Delaware. I'd prefer Delaware close TBH.
Yes! Close Delaware turn the street parking into sidewalk cafe space. Then push vehicle traffic down one way reconnected main. Will still need local traffic though
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:19 pm
by DaveKCMO
Restore the entire grid to two-way traffic.
Re: Status and future of the River Market area??
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:56 pm
by normalthings
Northeast corner of 3rd & Delaware is for sale for $2.4 million. Parking lot+ building.