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Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:00 pm
by Riverite
What was the KCS plan?
I’m excited to see this project get done should definitely bring more life to the are especially with the first floor restaurant
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:03 pm
by flyingember
Riverite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:00 pm
What was the KCS plan?
It was on the parking lot next to their building, it's not owned by KCS. The city owns in today but for years it was tied up in a family squabble over who owned it after the owner passed.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:06 pm
by Riverite
flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:03 pm
Riverite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:00 pm
What was the KCS plan?
It was on the parking lot next to their building, it's not owned by KCS. The city owns in today but for years it was tied up in a family squabble over who owned it after the owner passed.
Hopefully they do something with that, could sell it off to a developer and use the money to pay for barney
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:16 pm
by normalthings
flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:03 pm
Riverite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:00 pm
What was the KCS plan?
It was on the parking lot next to their building, it's not owned by KCS. The city owns in today but for years it was tied up in a family squabble over who owned it after the owner passed.
KCS said they wanted to do a mixed use development there with the city.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:08 pm
by flyingember
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:16 pm
flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:03 pm
Riverite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:00 pm
What was the KCS plan?
It was on the parking lot next to their building, it's not owned by KCS. The city owns in today but for years it was tied up in a family squabble over who owned it after the owner passed.
KCS said they wanted to do a mixed use development there with the city.
The point being they can't sit on the land and do nothing because the city could move on.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:09 pm
by normalthings
flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:08 pm
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:16 pm
flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:03 pm
It was on the parking lot next to their building, it's not owned by KCS. The city owns in today but for years it was tied up in a family squabble over who owned it after the owner passed.
KCS said they wanted to do a mixed use development there with the city.
The point being they can't sit on the land and do nothing because the city could move on.
I think the city is specifically saying the city doesnt want to develop there anymore
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:12 pm
by Riverite
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:09 pm
flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:08 pm
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:16 pm
KCS said they wanted to do a mixed use development there with the city.
The point being they can't sit on the land and do nothing because the city could move on.
I think the city is specifically saying the city doesnt want to develop there anymore
Then they should sell it
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:15 pm
by Riverite
Would love to see something at least the height of reverb there
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:16 pm
by normalthings
Riverite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:12 pm
normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:09 pm
flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:08 pm
The point being they can't sit on the land and do nothing because the city could move on.
I think the city is specifically saying the city doesnt want to develop there anymore
Then they should sell it
Maybe, might be better that it sits with the city until someone comes up with a development idea or until the city needs it. Could be the site of the next convention center hotel in 20 years
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:18 pm
by Riverite
Or built it over the west dock
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:26 pm
by normalthings
Riverite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:18 pm
Or built it over the west dock
LastGent has ideas for building next to/over the South Dock. I could see the south dock being another good location for a hotel and a big enough site for it to actually work.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:29 pm
by Riverite
That too would be a great spot
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:27 pm
by FangKC
Why are they proposing the apartments be on the west side of the block? Wouldn't it make more sense to have them on the east side of the block facing the Muehlebach Tower, Aladdin Hotel, and that proposed office building where a decent street wall could be created on that block? It would be a better pedestrian experience to have both sides of the street activated on that block.
I hope the City sells that 12th/Broadway parcel and a developer puts something substantial on that site -- a Grand Hyatt or perhaps a 20-story apartment tower.
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:57 pm
by normalthings
FangKC wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:27 pm
Why are they proposing the apartments be on the west side of the block? Wouldn't it make more sense to have them on the east side of the block facing the Muehlebach Tower, Aladdin Hotel, and that proposed office building where a decent street wall could be created on that block? It would be a better pedestrian experience to have both sides of the street activated on that block.
I hope the City sells that 12th/Broadway parcel and a developer puts something substantial on that site -- a Grand Hyatt or perhaps a 20-story apartment tower.
BAP is getting taken down to grade. I think hotel guests would prefer walking straight out to the park instead of having to walk around a building. Building on the east side would isolate the park from the hotels.
IIRC, the city can't incentivize another large hotel near the convention center for a while. A Grand Hyatt or similar would a. be large and b. require incentives
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:41 pm
by FangKC
This post is mostly for KCKev.
Barney Allis Plaza in 1956.
https://dl.mospace.umsystem.edu/umkc/is ... mkc%3A8060
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:20 am
by KCKev
Thanks for the memories...Need that replaced for new generations of youth!
Do kids even live downtown anymore?
This picture made me smile big time. 12th street bars, KMBC in background.use to watch Gus and Tory on channel 9. Hate to say it but tall towers and no fountain just doesn't do it for me. Modern streetcar is great. Hope it gets expanded and used alot to spread the Kc Spirit. Hell, hope some day it will go to the 2101 time capsule where ever it is. Someone call Kay Barnes, she will know!
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:51 pm
by normalthings
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:59 pm
by TheLastGentleman
Great!
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:03 pm
by kboish
Now just come up with $120 million
Re: Fantasy Retrofits: Barney Allis Plaza
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:51 pm
by moderne
From the aerial perspectives I do not see much improvement. I hope from street level the bulk of BAP is closer to grade. Would rather have a monumental signature fountain than a "decorative water feature." And deeper soil basins to support some real shade trees.
