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kboish wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 8:04 am Without making comment on which site is preferable, one thing that is getting absurd is KCPS role in development. Fine if they think they want to provide input on the level of tax incentive...but now that they seem to explicitly want to actually direct the location and type of developments it seems like they are over stepping. It seems like they really think they know how development in the city should play out and any one that has other ideas is just trying to hurt the district. They seem to revel in the power play tactics.

GRID wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 11:34 am If 25,000 people go to a game in the jazz district, I'm sure that a good amount of them would make it to the P&L district before and after the games and they would be the actual customers of the district, not just people parking in the P&L garages.

moderne wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:55 pm Walk from ballpark gate at Troost and Truman to P&L.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:17 pm Less than a mile from crossroads stop to the possible entrance to a stadium in the east crossroads. People will walk that. There would also be alternatives ways to get there that don't include parking within a block.

moderne wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:55 pm Walk from ballpark gate at Troost and Truman to P&L.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:05 pm

moderne wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:55 pm Walk from ballpark gate at Troost and Truman to P&L.

.6 miles. Would need to make the ped experience 100x better but definitely doable.

daGOAT wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:11 pm Laclede's Landing suffers from being disconnected and that's with actual LRT......

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:09 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:05 pm

moderne wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:55 pm Walk from ballpark gate at Troost and Truman to P&L.

.6 miles. Would need to make the ped experience 100x better but definitely doable.

16th street mall to Coors field, Laclede's Landing to Busch for examples people may have experienced.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:12 pm

daGOAT wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:11 pm Laclede's Landing suffers from being disconnected and that's with actual LRT......

Yes it does. My point was the walking distance between the two that many on this site may have experienced.

freedog wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:14 pm

GRID wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:00 pm ^ But that has to be a part of the original project and go up at the same time or I just don't see these surrounding towers going up. One 20 story building every 5-10 years is not going to get it done.

Think about this. If the Sprint Center had gone up as a stand alone project and Cordish was not going up at the same time, what would the area around the arena look like today?

I'm sorry, but I think it would look more like it does east of Grand than it now does west of Grand. I mean almost nothing has happened east of Grand directly around the arena since the arena was built and that's been what over ten years. More parking lots have come.

There has to be plan that can be implemented and will be implemented at the same time.

What I take from the whole the "Atlanta stadium is the model" discussion is that there would be a plan beyond the stadium. Stadium as the anchor, but other mixed use developments would be part of the initial build out.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:21 pm I'm open to either spot. I see positives and negatives for both. It's ultimately up to the Royals what they can get aligned. I like the tie in with 18th and Vine to help activate that entertainment district. Both sites can utilize our already established infrastructure.

GRID wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:22 pm

freedog wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:14 pm

GRID wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:00 pm ^ But that has to be a part of the original project and go up at the same time or I just don't see these surrounding towers going up. One 20 story building every 5-10 years is not going to get it done.

Think about this. If the Sprint Center had gone up as a stand alone project and Cordish was not going up at the same time, what would the area around the arena look like today?

I'm sorry, but I think it would look more like it does east of Grand than it now does west of Grand. I mean almost nothing has happened east of Grand directly around the arena since the arena was built and that's been what over ten years. More parking lots have come.

There has to be plan that can be implemented and will be implemented at the same time.

What I take from the whole the "Atlanta stadium is the model" discussion is that there would be a plan beyond the stadium. Stadium as the anchor, but other mixed use developments would be part of the initial build out.

So then it's hard to discuss this without seeing such plans. Either of these plans will help the east side if done right. EV has to bring West Paseo into the downtown urban fabric. I just don't want to see West Paseo turning into a bunch of parking lots and that is very possible.