Capping the Loop

[mister816]

honest question. do we really want the city to be in charge of the park. i cant think of any benefits, it would just end up being a graffiti filled homeless bedroom

[GRID]

honest question. do we really want the city to be in charge of the park. i cant think of any benefits, it would just end up being a graffiti filled homeless bedroom

As long as the city does not maintain and program the park, it will be fine. I agree, KCMO is just simply terrible at general maintenance of basic infrastructure especially parks/recreation. So they will need to turn that over to a third party organization. Similar to what happened with the Zoo.

On a side note, I really wished the Royals Stadium were further along so that this could be more incorporated into whatever happens with the stadium.

[smh]

honest question. do we really want the city to be in charge of the park. i cant think of any benefits, it would just end up being a graffiti filled homeless bedroom

As long as the city does not maintain and program the park, it will be fine. I agree, KCMO is just simply terrible at general maintenance of basic infrastructure especially parks/recreation. So they will need to turn that over to a third party organization. Similar to what happened with the Zoo.

On a side note, I really wished the Royals Stadium were further along so that this could be more incorporated into whatever happens with the stadium.

Concur. I think it makes sense for the city to own it, but need a separate (new?) entity for maintenance/programming.

[DaveKCMO]

There are only two *ownership* options: MoDOT or KCMO.

[Noahfleshman]

Our city picks and chooses which parks they want to keep nice.

[mister816]

There are only two *ownership* options: MoDOT or KCMO.

I'd trust neither to maintain this park but modot is out of the question. I mean, just look at 70. They just flat out don't care

[DaveKCMO]

Our city picks and chooses which parks they want to keep nice.

Not really. The nice ones have conservancies. It's not a conspiracy.

[Cratedigger]

There are only two *ownership* options: MoDOT or KCMO.

I'd trust neither to maintain this park but modot is out of the question. I mean, just look at 70. They just flat out don't care

Just to be clear Dave, ownership and maintenance are two different things right?

- Maintaining: An entity capable of managing the park’s cleanliness, safety, programming and public art. Likely an independent nonprofit (potentially managed by the Downtown Council)

-Ownership: An entity capable of managing the infrastructure, bridges and roadways under the park. Likely the city or MoDot

[beautyfromashes]

All while Penn Valley rots.

[Noahfleshman]

homeless mecca

[FangKC]

All while Penn Valley rots.

Penn Valley Park has a conservancy too.

https://www.facebook.com/PennValleyPark/

[DaveKCMO]

There are only two *ownership* options: MoDOT or KCMO.

I'd trust neither to maintain this park but modot is out of the question. I mean, just look at 70. They just flat out don't care

Just to be clear Dave, ownership and maintenance are two different things right?

- Maintaining: An entity capable of managing the park’s cleanliness, safety, programming and public art. Likely an independent nonprofit (potentially managed by the Downtown Council)

-Ownership: An entity capable of managing the infrastructure, bridges and roadways under the park. Likely the city or MoDot

Yes.

[moderne]

Looks like that Penn Valley conservancy must be in limbo.

[beautyfromashes]

Looks like that Penn Valley conservancy must be in limbo.

I know One Park Place residents offered to take over maintenance and security of most of the west end of the park and were rejected. Not sure how that's any different than this proposed new park managed by Cordish, but it was.

[moderne]

Too bad. The bridle on The Scout has been mostly torn off. Statue should be removed to the Nelson for safekeeping and replaced with a fiberglass replica.

[herrfrank]

Too bad. The bridle on The Scout has been mostly torn off. Statue should be removed to the Nelson for safekeeping and replaced with a fiberglass replica.

Good lord. Please report to the Mayor. Was it stolen for the bronze/ copper value?

We had a problem like that in an overgrown urban park in Connecticut. The war memorial "local sons" death-markers were copper and were being pried off of their concrete mounts and showing up in local scrap shops who thankfully still had one iota of morality and refused to melt them.

[FangKC]

Yes, cameras must be installed in scrap shops to record people showing up trying to sell stolen materials and sellers should have to provide ID to sell scrap. This way you have a record of people showing up repeatedly with suspicious items or quantities of scrap over time.

[UMKCroo]

Pretty bleak assessment here, and as a longtime downtown resident, can't say I disagree. City leadership really needs to prioritize quality of life in the urban core. Walkability, pedestrian and public safety, green space, streetscape, bike lanes are actual things that people want (knowingly or unknowingly), and yet we treat them as cute little side projects. The downstream effects of solving for walkability are real, and an actual(attainable) way to make a dent in the more entrenched societal problems.

Like it or not, we have a lot of public money invested in downtown. If we don't get serious about making it an attractive place for people to live, the economic health and viability of the entire city/metro area is at risk.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/doom-loo ... R9SeHo72pX

http://downtownrecovery.com/dashboards/ ... nking.html

[beautyfromashes]

Pretty bleak assessment here, and as a longtime downtown resident, can't say I disagree. City leadership really needs to prioritize quality of life in the urban core.

I don’t disagree with your suggestion, but I’m not sure it’s as bleak as you might state. Coastal cities have been running with high corporate presence and residential demand. While we will likely lose business activity in our core, our residential is just now growing to meet that loss. There should be an evening factor.

[KCPowercat]

The downtownrecovery data doesn't differentiate between daytime and evening
http://downtownrecovery.com/dashboards/text_pages.html