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Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:57 pm**

trexel94 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:20 pm This presentation was used at the Bergen conference when the air service team was pitching to BA.
http://mediaassets.kshb.com/NWT/Sam/MCI ... 1660926597

Also within the presentation are full gate assignments. Jetblue and Air Canada haven't been assigned gates yet apparently. Top European markets to/from KC are featured as well.

Not a fan of the 4 shades of blue/purple for gates.

Surprised southwest doesn’t have more city gates by them for expansion. But I guess 2 is probably plenty for awhile.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm**

I checked out that PP presentation and wow, people from all over KC and the surrounding area use KCI. It's not 90% Johnson County! I have been being told lies all these years!

On a serious note, this would be awesome for KC to land BA.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:36 pm**

GRID wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm I checked out that PP presentation and wow, people from all over KC and the surrounding area use KCI. It's not 90% Johnson County! I have been being told lies all these years!

On a serious note, this would be awesome for KC to land BA.

Just like how not every Royals fan is from JoCo. Or that every season ticket holder for Chiefs or Royals is from JoCo. It's BS narratives.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:45 pm**

AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:36 pm
GRID wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm I checked out that PP presentation and wow, people from all over KC and the surrounding area use KCI. It's not 90% Johnson County! I have been being told lies all these years!

On a serious note, this would be awesome for KC to land BA.
Just like how not every Royals fan is from JoCo. Or that every season ticket holder for Chiefs or Royals is from JoCo. It's BS narratives.

Don't forget all of KC's pro players live in JoCo along with you know anybody that has a white collar job and an education.

I still freaking hate JoCo lol. There is literally no place more full of themselves than that place. The suburbs around DC make JoCo look like Sedalia and I swear the people don't have anywhere near the arrogance. I mean you live in Overland Park or Olathe KANSAS for crying gout loud. Can you get more boring and generic than places like that? People that think Overland Park is special SIMPLY DO NOT GET OUT MUCH. Okay, that's my anti JoCo rant.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:51 pm**

It's not really useful to compare DC to KC. It probably has the best suburbs in the country. Plus you have the feds and what comes with it.

The problem is that Missouri let Kansas built itself up instead of saying we're the city, you're the suburb.

But what's done is done.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:52 pm**

GRID wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:45 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:36 pm
GRID wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm I checked out that PP presentation and wow, people from all over KC and the surrounding area use KCI. It's not 90% Johnson County! I have been being told lies all these years!

On a serious note, this would be awesome for KC to land BA.
Just like how not every Royals fan is from JoCo. Or that every season ticket holder for Chiefs or Royals is from JoCo. It's BS narratives.
Don't forget all of KC's pro players live in JoCo along with you know anybody that has a white collar job and an education.

I still freaking hate JoCo lol. There is literally no place more full of themselves than that place. The suburbs around DC make JoCo look like Sedalia and I swear the people don't have anywhere near the arrogance. I mean you live in Overland Park or Olathe KANSAS for crying gout loud. Can you get more boring and generic than places like that? People that think Overland Park is special SIMPLY DO NOT GET OUT MUCH. Okay, that's my anti JoCo rant.

Which is why I keep pounding the table to let that stupid Cerner complex at Bannister go to hell. The *entire* reasoning that they still want to keep that complex is so that people can get to south JoCo from there easily. Someone a month ago on Rag literally said "but we need that complex so we can feed the real talent pool, which is south JoCo". Who gives a fucking shit about that? So your solution is to just to keep feeding it and never bring "the talent pool" back to Jackson County or downtown? What a stupid idea and mindset.

How can you want downtown KC to grow & have the talent pool again and then capitulate to south JoCo. That's not gonna move talent to the urban core. That's gonna KEEP it in South JoCo, moron. End of rant.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:53 pm**

dev49 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:57 pm
trexel94 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:20 pm This presentation was used at the Bergen conference when the air service team was pitching to BA.
http://mediaassets.kshb.com/NWT/Sam/MCI ... 1660926597

Also within the presentation are full gate assignments. Jetblue and Air Canada haven't been assigned gates yet apparently. Top European markets to/from KC are featured as well.
Not a fan of the 4 shades of blue/purple for gates.

Surprised southwest doesn’t have more city gates by them for expansion. But I guess 2 is probably plenty for awhile.

Think the airlines near SW are easy to move and or not signatory

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:56 pm**

Do you know anything about the founders of Cerner? They live (or lived) in loch Loyd. They had no interest in moving the company downtown. They would have moved it to Kansas before downtown.

One of them famously said so.

They are not downtown boosters. You really need to educate yourself on Kansas city politics if you want to be involved.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:59 pm**

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:56 pm Do you know anything about the founders of Cerner? They live (or lived) in loch Loyd. They had no interest in moving the company downtown. They would have moved it to Kansas before downtown.

One of them famously said so.

They are not downtown boosters. You really need to educate yourself on Kansas city politics if you want to be involved.

Here's an education for you: it's not Cerner anymore, it's Oracle. Hence the reason we are debating what to do with that campus.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:05 pm**

AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:52 pm
GRID wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:45 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:36 pm

Just like how not every Royals fan is from JoCo. Or that every season ticket holder for Chiefs or Royals is from JoCo. It's BS narratives.
Don't forget all of KC's pro players live in JoCo along with you know anybody that has a white collar job and an education.

I still freaking hate JoCo lol. There is literally no place more full of themselves than that place. The suburbs around DC make JoCo look like Sedalia and I swear the people don't have anywhere near the arrogance. I mean you live in Overland Park or Olathe KANSAS for crying gout loud. Can you get more boring and generic than places like that? People that think Overland Park is special SIMPLY DO NOT GET OUT MUCH. Okay, that's my anti JoCo rant.
Which is why I keep pounding the table to let that stupid Cerner complex at Bannister go to hell. The *entire* reasoning that they still want to keep that complex is so that people can get to south JoCo from there easily. Someone a month ago on Rag literally said "but we need that complex so we can feed the real talent pool, which is south JoCo". Who gives a fucking shit about that? So your solution is to just to keep feeding it and never bring "the talent pool" back to Jackson County or downtown? What a stupid idea and mindset.

How can you want downtown KC to grow & have the talent pool again and then capitulate to south JoCo. That's not gonna move talent to the urban core. That's gonna KEEP it in South JoCo, moron. End of rant.

Had it been designed differently, it really could have helped South Kansas City though. Obviously it was designed to be a gated and secure office park that people in JoCo and other suburbs drive to and that's it. It also looks like total shit. I mean, if they were going to do that, why not at least put the buildings up against the intestate so they are visible rather than having them behind what looks like a landfill between the towers and the intestate.

Good god that project was a fail...

I still think you could build the area up, but since Cerner actually owns all that land now, it looks like you will only little random projects on the outskirts of the area. Maybe Oracle with have a heart and rethink that entire area.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:07 pm**

Man, you're wishcasting. But it's not for this thread. I was just trying to tell you the history of why Cerner is where they are.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:12 pm**

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:07 pm Man, you're wishcasting. But it's not for this thread. I was just trying to tell you the history of why Cerner is where they are.

If you're asking whether I'm aware of the history that Cerner sinks every penny into the suburbs (including soccer) and doesn't care about KC, while simultaneously talking like they do care about downtown- yes I am aware.

I have no clue what Oracle will do with the complex. I hope they let it rot away.

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:26 pm**

Let's focus on the terminal

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:19 pm**

GRID wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:45 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:36 pm
GRID wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm I checked out that PP presentation and wow, people from all over KC and the surrounding area use KCI. It's not 90% Johnson County! I have been being told lies all these years!

On a serious note, this would be awesome for KC to land BA.
Just like how not every Royals fan is from JoCo. Or that every season ticket holder for Chiefs or Royals is from JoCo. It's BS narratives.
Don't forget all of KC's pro players live in JoCo along with you know anybody that has a white collar job and an education.

I still freaking hate JoCo lol. There is literally no place more full of themselves than that place. The suburbs around DC make JoCo look like Sedalia and I swear the people don't have anywhere near the arrogance. I mean you live in Overland Park or Olathe KANSAS for crying gout loud. Can you get more boring and generic than places like that? People that think Overland Park is special SIMPLY DO NOT GET OUT MUCH. Okay, that's my anti JoCo rant.

Have you interacted with people from Chevy Chase?

Posted: **Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:18 pm**

Cratedigger wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:19 pm
GRID wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:45 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:36 pm

Just like how not every Royals fan is from JoCo. Or that every season ticket holder for Chiefs or Royals is from JoCo. It's BS narratives.
Don't forget all of KC's pro players live in JoCo along with you know anybody that has a white collar job and an education.

I still freaking hate JoCo lol. There is literally no place more full of themselves than that place. The suburbs around DC make JoCo look like Sedalia and I swear the people don't have anywhere near the arrogance. I mean you live in Overland Park or Olathe KANSAS for crying gout loud. Can you get more boring and generic than places like that? People that think Overland Park is special SIMPLY DO NOT GET OUT MUCH. Okay, that's my anti JoCo rant.
Have you interacted with people from Chevy Chase?

Lol. It's not the same. Not even close. You can find snobby people anywhere, but there is not this massive cultural "I live in X county so, I'm better than you and my county is the best ever and the entire metro basically revolves around my county. You would not have the Nats or the Zoo if it ere not for NoVa. Bethesda is where all the people with money live. Yeah. Nothing like that here at all.

You can literally go to nearly any social media thread or youtube video etc about KC and there will be somebody from JoCo saying something stupid about how much better JoCo is than KCMO etc because so many people there that actually think that.

Anyway, sorry I brought up this topic. The terminal is coming along!

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:14 am**

Fair enough. Disagree from my experience but respect your opinion

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:53 am**

Cratedigger wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:14 am Fair enough. Disagree from my experience but respect your opinion

I do think it's a lot better now than it was. It's still very much a thing, but it was much worse before KCMO's urban core has become probably the most popular place to live in the metro at least for younger people.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:00 am**

^It doesn't help to feed the polarization and state line tension, too often here.

GRID wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:45 pm I still freaking hate JoCo

But yeah, back to topic.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:24 am**

trexel94 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:20 pm This presentation was used at the Bergen conference when the air service team was pitching to BA.
http://mediaassets.kshb.com/NWT/Sam/MCI ... 1660926597

Also within the presentation are full gate assignments. Jetblue and Air Canada haven't been assigned gates yet apparently. Top European markets to/from KC are featured as well.

Too bad the FOIA led to this being circulated all over the internet. The competition to land international service is fierce and now our peer airports also vying for service have seen our pitch. Is what it is but sucks for MCI officials

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:38 am**

hartliss wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:24 am
trexel94 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:20 pm This presentation was used at the Bergen conference when the air service team was pitching to BA.
http://mediaassets.kshb.com/NWT/Sam/MCI ... 1660926597

Also within the presentation are full gate assignments. Jetblue and Air Canada haven't been assigned gates yet apparently. Top European markets to/from KC are featured as well.

Too bad the FOIA led to this being circulated all over the internet. The competition to land international service is fierce and now our peer airports also vying for service have seen our pitch. Is what it is but sucks for MCI officials

Yeah and? Nothing within the presentation is confidential or even isn't already widely known. The only competitive factor in this is the incentive which was widely circulated by the media as has IND and Ohio's incentives program. How can anyone one-up our catchment area or geography?

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