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Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:37 pm
by KCPowercat
The Google search I found said 170. I didn't go back through the thread and see if that's the old or newer number .
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:44 pm
by chingon
No one whines quite like the Westside.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:46 pm
by Anthony_Hugo98
chingon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:44 pm
No one whines quite like the Westside.
If they actually wanted to prevent their neighborhood from being erased, they should be out there with pickaxes and sledge hammers tearing down the 35 viaduct.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:48 pm
by Highlander
chingon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:44 pm
No one whines quite like the Westside.
Especially when local newspaper incites them to do so. What I got out of the article was that most westsiders didn't seem to have an issue with the development until the Pitch showed up.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:52 pm
by grovester
GRID wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:23 pm
Oh wow, it's only 140'? Yeah, that's pretty bush league lol. It's still fine though. My big issue is how to tie this area to the rest of downtown. It's not easy or fun to walk to that area.
All you have to do is come out of Union Station and turn right.
The entrance is on Broadway at Pershing, elevator down to the main level.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:57 pm
by KCPowercat
grovester wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:52 pm
GRID wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:23 pm
Oh wow, it's only 140'? Yeah, that's pretty bush league lol. It's still fine though. My big issue is how to tie this area to the rest of downtown. It's not easy or fun to walk to that area.
All you have to do is come out of Union Station and turn right.
The entrance is on Broadway at Pershing, elevator down to the main level.
It's going to be a lot more pleasant to walk around the garage in the lower level. That walk along Pershing is brutal and dangerous to cross Broadway even with signals.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:06 pm
by grovester
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:57 pm
grovester wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:52 pm
GRID wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:23 pm
Oh wow, it's only 140'? Yeah, that's pretty bush league lol. It's still fine though. My big issue is how to tie this area to the rest of downtown. It's not easy or fun to walk to that area.
All you have to do is come out of Union Station and turn right.
The entrance is on Broadway at Pershing, elevator down to the main level.
It's going to be a lot more pleasant to walk around the garage in the lower level. That walk along Pershing is brutal and dangerous to cross Broadway even with signals.
I'll trust Urban Lab to handle that. Only really bad during rush hours.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:15 pm
by KCPowercat
Urban labs can create great ideas no doubt. They can't implement them.
Broadway is always too fast and wide, it's pretty miserable at all times imo rn
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:28 pm
by Anthony_Hugo98
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:15 pm
Urban labs can create great ideas no doubt. They can't implement them.
Broadway is always too fast and wide, it's pretty miserable at all times imo rn
Yeah, that’s an issue for sure, but providing contextualization and visuals to stakeholders and public figures alike is enough to get more serious movement going. We’re doing what we can with the resources at hand, and filling an otherwise blank niche for KC, at least in our observations. It takes generations to fix cities destroyed by autocentric design though, so slow and steady is our model.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:34 pm
by KCPowercat
Oh I love what urban labs does, no disrespect there. I just can't "count" on their ideas as it depends on a stakeholder to implement them. Definitely gets us started down a better path
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:43 pm
by Highlander
One way to make the access easier is to de-fortress the IRS facility and allow people to walk on the very nice walkways you can see on Google Maps. It would also re-integrate the IRS facility back into its surroundings. There's no reason in the world that facility should be singled out as requiring the kind of security that it has. The IRS can move their garage entrance security a little further inboard.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:47 pm
by smh
Highlander wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:43 pm
One way to make the access easier is to de-fortress the IRS facility and allow people to walk on the very nice walkways you can see on Google Maps. It would also re-integrate the IRS facility back into its surroundings. There's no reason in the world that facility should be singled out as requiring the kind of security that it has. The IRS can move their garage entrance security a little further inboard.
I mean...I can think of a few reasons.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:53 pm
by moderne
Lesser than the St. Louis wheel. Always #2. Being enclosed cabins will make this a popular attraction year round.Too bad all of the 4 seasons attractions in town could not be in the same area. Could always extend the Crown Center-Union Station elevated tube system by using the bowels of Union Station to get to Penway Point.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:59 pm
by Anthony_Hugo98
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:34 pm
Oh I love what urban labs does, no disrespect there. I just can't "count" on their ideas as it depends on a stakeholder to implement them. Definitely gets us started down a better path
Don’t fret, didn’t perceive it as such! If at least 2% of the ideas ever get off the ground, I’d say that’s much further than we’re we’ll be at otherwise. I am a glass half full type though.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:00 pm
by smh
I think the city should re-think Pershing as a shared street in front of Union Station and a much narrower complete street to the west. As has been noted, the streets are built like highways and Pershing in particular handles minimal traffic. Right size the street and expand sidewalks and bike paths, tighten up the intersections and you will be able to access Pennway Point much easier and more pleasantly on foot.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:50 pm
by grovester
There's probably a way to do a pedestrian underpass for the Broadway crossing if it came to it.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:02 pm
by Anthony_Hugo98
smh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:00 pm
I think the city should re-think Pershing as a shared street in front of Union Station and a much narrower complete street to the west. As has been noted, the streets are built like highways and Pershing in particular handles minimal traffic. Right size the street and expand sidewalks and bike paths, tighten up the intersections and you will be able to access Pennway Point much easier and more pleasantly on foot.
Damn, you are on the same wavelength as us here
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:04 pm
by beautyfromashes
grovester wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:50 pm
There's probably a way to do a pedestrian underpass for the Broadway crossing if it came to it.
I really like this idea. It’s also be great if there was a stairs walkway down at Pershing and Broadway as part of this development.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:14 pm
by moderne
And it should connect to the lower level of US.
Re: OFFICIAL - Pennway Point
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:27 pm
by KCDowntown
I think I remember reading that there would be a staircase or access point from the old Carter-Water's Building at Broadway & Pershing down to the ground level.
KCDowntown