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Re: Four Light
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:23 am
by Anthony_Hugo98
DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:43 am
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:48 am
normalthings wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:35 am
Four Light, if constructed on the retail building, will utilize an existing garage. Will be fun to have a standalone project for once.
What retail building are you referring to?
Corner of 14th and main. Currently home to empty retail that would likely be demolished for 4L.
You’re talking the building next to the President, yes? Does the building not have the existing structure to allow construction above it?
Re: Four Light
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:21 pm
by DColeKC
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:23 am
DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:43 am
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:48 am
What retail building are you referring to?
Corner of 14th and main. Currently home to empty retail that would likely be demolished for 4L.
You’re talking the building next to the President, yes? Does the building not have the existing structure to allow construction above it?
No, there is no existing structure that would support a residential tower. Would require being demolished back to dirt.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:35 pm
by AlkaliAxel
I thought 4L was gonna be connected to the theatre?
I want 4L around the south cap park so we can have giant wall with retail around the park (I trust Cordish to put retail there)
Re: Four Light
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm
by DColeKC
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:35 pm
I thought 4L was gonna be connected to the theatre?
I want 4L around the south cap park so we can have giant wall with retail around the park (I trust Cordish to put retail there)
That still could happen but it seems like they're holding onto that spot for a hotel/residential combo.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:33 pm
by Anthony_Hugo98
DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:21 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:23 am
DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:43 am
Corner of 14th and main. Currently home to empty retail that would likely be demolished for 4L.
You’re talking the building next to the President, yes? Does the building not have the existing structure to allow construction above it?
No, there is no existing structure that would support a residential tower. Would require being demolished back to dirt.
Pity, i was hoping it had the structure similar to the Strata site.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:39 pm
by AlkaliAxel
DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:35 pm
I thought 4L was gonna be connected to the theatre?
I want 4L around the south cap park so we can have giant wall with retail around the park (I trust Cordish to put retail there)
That still could happen but it seems like they're holding onto that spot for a hotel/residential combo.
That’s fine- as long they putting up something on that spot make a wall along the highway cap park then we’re good to go.
Is that “combo” tower gonna come before the ‘4L on retail’ tower?
Re: Four Light
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:20 pm
by normalthings
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:39 pm
DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:35 pm
I thought 4L was gonna be connected to the theatre?
I want 4L around the south cap park so we can have giant wall with retail around the park (I trust Cordish to put retail there)
That still could happen but it seems like they're holding onto that spot for a hotel/residential combo.
That’s fine- as long they putting up something on that spot make a wall along the highway cap park then we’re good to go.
Is that “combo” tower gonna come before the ‘4L on retail’ tower?
no I don't think so
Re: Four Light
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 pm
by KCPowercat
That corner never had a tenant. Crazy.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:43 am
by AlkaliAxel
How many stories will 4L be?
Re: Four Light
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:17 am
by DColeKC
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 pm
That corner never had a tenant. Crazy.
Or a poured slab. Similar to the rally house space which had dirt floors until they signed on. That space was always setup to be a two story building complete with a elevator pit.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:39 pm
by normalthings
30 floor tower proposed next to the new 36 floor tower in STL. Design works well especially the retail podium for kc
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... osed.html
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:55 pm
by daGOAT
Wow, the recent tower Mac did is a gem. I heard it was only 80% leased after almost 18 months but they seem to have faith. I'm actually surprised this is happening and there's no word on 2 Cardinal Way.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:37 pm
by Cratedigger
Wow. 100 Above the Park is such a cool design
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:41 pm
by normalthings
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:47 pm
by earthling
Many will disagree but Armour and Main should have something like these at each 4 corners, which would also give Midtown KC an identity, provides both Plaza/Downtown views and could create a new power center along RCP corridor. Score an Urban Target at base of one of them and it might appease neighbors.
And note to Cordish.. completely different designs.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:14 pm
by GRID
earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:47 pm
Many will disagree but Armour and Main should have something like these at each 4 corners, which would also give Midtown KC an identity, provides both Plaza/Downtown views and could create a new power center along RCP corridor. Score an Urban Target at base of one of them and it might appease neighbors.
And note to Cordish.. completely different designs.
Those two towers would look absolutely amazing in place of 2 and 3 Light (which are boxes on top of parking boxes). They would also look great in Midtown. I agree, Midtown needs something like this to give it some identity.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:22 pm
by normalthings
GRID wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:14 pm
earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:47 pm
Many will disagree but Armour and Main should have something like these at each 4 corners, which would also give Midtown KC an identity, provides both Plaza/Downtown views and could create a new power center along RCP corridor. Score an Urban Target at base of one of them and it might appease neighbors.
And note to Cordish.. completely different designs.
Those two towers would look absolutely amazing in place of 2 and 3 Light (which are boxes on top of parking boxes). They would also look great in Midtown. I agree, Midtown needs something like this to give it some identity.
STL has a leading university and med center to support the leasing of these towers and yet 100 has taken an extended lease up period. KC may not be able to support those levels of rent.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:35 pm
by CorneliusFB
earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:47 pm
Many will disagree but Armour and Main should have something like these at each 4 corners, which would also give Midtown KC an identity, provides both Plaza/Downtown views and could create a new power center along RCP corridor. Score an Urban Target at base of one of them and it might appease neighbors.
And note to Cordish.. completely different designs.
Put that idea around 39th and Main, and I’m right there with you. That intersection is viewed as the downtown of Midtown.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:00 pm
by normalthings
earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:47 pm
Many will disagree but Armour and Main should have something like these at each 4 corners, which would also give Midtown KC an identity, provides both Plaza/Downtown views and could create a new power center along RCP corridor. Score an Urban Target at base of one of them and it might appease neighbors.
And note to Cordish.. completely different designs.
These are different developers.
Re: Four Light
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:03 pm
by earthling
CorneliusFB wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:35 pm
earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:47 pm
Many will disagree but Armour and Main should have something like these at each 4 corners, which would also give Midtown KC an identity, provides both Plaza/Downtown views and could create a new power center along RCP corridor. Score an Urban Target at base of one of them and it might appease neighbors.
And note to Cordish.. completely different designs.
Put that idea around 39th and Main, and I’m right there with you. That intersection is viewed as the downtown of Midtown.
Three of the 39th/Main corners have 'original' buildings that would not go over well if proposed to be torn down. The 4 corners of Main/Armour do not. And one tower could go next to US Bank building so that doesn't really need to go.
May need to move conversation to other thread...
