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dnweava wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:30 pm

Also going to be a salad wraps, Dunkin Donuts, smoothie king, thou mayest, the bite, cinnabon, guys deli, Auntie Annes, and several other locations that I'm not sure about yet.

40 gate positions. Also shows where expansion can take place.

^Where can the expansion take place?

earthling wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:32 am ^Where can the expansion take place?

Zoom into that photo. There is a dotted outlinr

Concourse A can be expanded to the south once Terminal B is demolished. It looks like Concourse B could also be expanded to the south if the ARFF station were relocated, but I have no idea if that's even under consideration over the long term. Concourse B could presumably be expanded to the north to line up with the northern end of Concourse A as well.

Sani wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:53 am Concourse A can be expanded to the south once Terminal B is demolished. It looks like Concourse B could also be expanded to the south if the ARFF station were relocated, but I have no idea if that's even under consideration over the long term. Concourse B could presumably be expanded to the north to line up with the northern end of Concourse A as well.

Only what is shown dotted has ever been said to be future expansion areas

Just booked flights for the week prior to planned opening. I expect the current terminals to be pretty rough that week. Still trying to book a flight out on like the 1st then back on like the 5th.

normalthings wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:04 am

Sani wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:53 am Concourse A can be expanded to the south once Terminal B is demolished. It looks like Concourse B could also be expanded to the south if the ARFF station were relocated, but I have no idea if that's even under consideration over the long term. Concourse B could presumably be expanded to the north to line up with the northern end of Concourse A as well.

Only what is shown dotted has ever been said to be future expansion areas

Am I missing the pic you are referencing?

No it’s right there…. At least on my screen. Posted by the other user

which post?

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:20 am Just booked flights for the week prior to planned opening. I expect the current terminals to be pretty rough that week. Still trying to book a flight out on like the 1st then back on like the 5th.

Last few times I've flown the service has been rough already. I wouldn't expect it to improve.

The new terminal really can't come fast enough

dnweava wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:30 pm

Also going to be a salad wraps, Dunkin Donuts, smoothie king, thou mayest, the bite, cinnabon, guys deli, Auntie Annes, and several other locations that I'm not sure about yet.

This one KCPowerCat

normalthings wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:53 pm

dnweava wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:30 pm

Also going to be a salad wraps, Dunkin Donuts, smoothie king, thou mayest, the bite, cinnabon, guys deli, Auntie Annes, and several other locations that I'm not sure about yet.

This one KCPowerCat

Am I taking crazy pills I don't see one dotted line on that picture.

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:38 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:20 am Just booked flights for the week prior to planned opening. I expect the current terminals to be pretty rough that week. Still trying to book a flight out on like the 1st then back on like the 5th.

Last few times I've flown the service has been rough already. I wouldn't expect it to improve.

The new terminal really can't come fast enough

Agreed it's been rough so I can't imagine what it will be like a week out. Like the last night of a restaurant, just whatever is left in the fridge is what we are serving.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:56 pm

normalthings wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:53 pm

dnweava wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:30 pm

Also going to be a salad wraps, Dunkin Donuts, smoothie king, thou mayest, the bite, cinnabon, guys deli, Auntie Annes, and several other locations that I'm not sure about yet.

This one KCPowerCat

Am I taking crazy pills I don't see one dotted line on that picture.

I couldn't either but thought I must just be missing something. /shrug

Pretty sure it's this. Concourse A. Left of Center in the original image.

ahhhhhhh, thank you. I see it now. Sorry for bad eyes!

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:57 pm

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:38 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:20 am Just booked flights for the week prior to planned opening. I expect the current terminals to be pretty rough that week. Still trying to book a flight out on like the 1st then back on like the 5th.

Last few times I've flown the service has been rough already. I wouldn't expect it to improve.

The new terminal really can't come fast enough

Agreed it's been rough so I can't imagine what it will be like a week out. Like the last night of a restaurant, just whatever is left in the fridge is what we are serving.

I flew (delta) and tried to eat or drink they weren’t serving hot food outside of security and inside there was a line that was too long because they were enforcing QR code bills.

Haven’t tried it since but I have the feeling they’ve given up.

normalthings wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:04 am

Sani wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:53 am Concourse A can be expanded to the south once Terminal B is demolished. It looks like Concourse B could also be expanded to the south if the ARFF station were relocated, but I have no idea if that's even under consideration over the long term. Concourse B could presumably be expanded to the north to line up with the northern end of Concourse A as well.

Only what is shown dotted has ever been said to be future expansion areas

Right, the others I mentioned are from the architectural consultant known as "thoughts pulled from Sani's ass".

I am kind of surprised that the terminal wasn't built with more expansion in mind. If you look at IND, for example, it's easy to see how the two concourses could be expanded to the south (A) and west (B) by extending the "fingers" that are closest to the terminal. Or if you look at RSW's terminal built in 2005, it was designed from the beginning to eventually be expanded to 65 gates as needed.

Other than a few gates added to the south end of Concourse A, what's the plan if we need to add, say, 10-15 more gates in the future? Is there one?

I think this design could add 7 more gates to the end of Concourse A but beyond that KCI is probably looking at a second terminal. To be fair that's an 18% increase on the current 38 gates. I'm sure once this project is done there will be another long term plan made at some point but I think a second copy of this terminal on the other side with some automated tram connectors would work pretty well. As it is runway 1R/19L is kind of a "long" taxi to get to the new terminal so a second terminal on that side could help that runway be more useful.

shaffe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:37 pm I think this design could add 7 more gates to the end of Concourse A but beyond that KCI is probably looking at a second terminal. To be fair that's an 18% increase on the current 38 gates. I'm sure once this project is done there will be another long term plan made at some point but I think a second copy of this terminal on the other side with some automated tram connectors would work pretty well. As it is runway 1R/19L is kind of a "long" taxi to get to the new terminal so a second terminal on that side could help that runway be more useful.

If they have to build a whole new terminal and connect them with people movers in the next 20 years, then this design was a huge fail. Honestly, I think the best thing the new airport has going for it is how utterly terrible the last one was here at the end. The bar was set so low and it seems people are excited just because it’s not what we have currently. It looks functional but fairly mediocre.