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Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:18 pm
by Anthony_Hugo98
beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:08 pm
langosta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:19 pm
I don't know if you have given a single real answer to why. The only thing that has changed is now we have an acceptable facility.
Acceptable facility is a HUGE one. When discussions of a nonstop to Europe have happened in the past, the immediate response was always, "We have a terrible facility that would have to be replaced first." It was an acceptable response because it was true. When the airport was passed and the same questions came up, the response was, "We need incentive money from the state." Well, we got that. We've shown we can attract world class events. We're growing in population in our area versus the other "comparable" cities that are losing population. So, there comes a time when you have to ask the question if it's not the money or the facilities, maybe it's the people selling them. And that's all I'm doing.
Have you talked to them? The team is fairly accessible if you have that much an issue with the execution
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:37 am
by dev49
Only a couple updates in the weekly update this week.
Only notable one is AA cut Austin from mid August to early October
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:15 pm
by hartliss
dev49 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:37 am
Only a couple updates in the weekly update this week.
Only notable one is AA cut Austin from mid August to early October
Not surprised. That route had to be bleeding money. All airlines are betting heavy on AUS but now the market is starting to correct.
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:26 pm
by WoodDraw
Aus is going to take a bit to sort out. It's an odd city.
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:02 pm
by dev49
hartliss wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:15 pm
dev49 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:37 am
Only a couple updates in the weekly update this week.
Only notable one is AA cut Austin from mid August to early October
Not surprised. That route had to be bleeding money. All airlines are betting heavy on AUS but now the market is starting to correct.
I’ll be interested to see how long the AA Austin experiment lasts
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:12 am
by TheUrbanRoo
Some minor news. KMBC is reporting more details on the aviation dept. is turning to Kansas to match the $5 mil that Missouri provided, and get the total to $10 mil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EXdveqRBLA
"We don't think that is a tough sell, we've had a great relationship with Gov. Kelly's administration and the state legislature. We think this is the type of regional cooperation that Missourian's & Kansan's want."
-Mayor Q
Lucas then went on to say he's "very optimistic" that a regional match will happen. He argues that the majority of airport users are already from Kansas anyway, and they too need TATL flight. They hope soon to have answer.
I think it's funny BFA and other were literally just suggesting this like two days ago.
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:42 am
by langosta
A kansas match was in the KCMO 2023 legislative agenda months ago
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:44 pm
by brewcrew1000
dev49 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:02 pm
hartliss wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:15 pm
dev49 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:37 am
Only a couple updates in the weekly update this week.
Only notable one is AA cut Austin from mid August to early October
Not surprised. That route had to be bleeding money. All airlines are betting heavy on AUS but now the market is starting to correct.
I’ll be interested to see how long the AA Austin experiment lasts
I like the Austin nonstop, it served as a connecting point for me when flying to Cancun a few months ago. It makes for a good connecting point for Mexico and Central America but i doubt they will increase operations/frequency of flights there
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:48 pm
by Anthony_Hugo98
brewcrew1000 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:44 pm
dev49 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:02 pm
hartliss wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:15 pm
Not surprised. That route had to be bleeding money. All airlines are betting heavy on AUS but now the market is starting to correct.
I’ll be interested to see how long the AA Austin experiment lasts
I like the Austin nonstop, it served as a connecting point for me when flying to Cancun a few months ago. It makes for a good connecting point for Mexico and Central America but i doubt they will increase operations/frequency of flights there
Their airport down there is over capacity by something like 8 million pax annually. They have to add the new concourse before you’ll see more flight traffic
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:00 pm
by Cratedigger
https://www.fultonsun.com/news/2023/mar ... e-mission/
Mike Parson is traveling to Sweden and Germany. Meeting with executives from Lufthansa while over there
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:10 pm
by langosta
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:44 pm
by ericwyner
langosta wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:10 pm
Justin Meyer tweeted that Lufthansa was talking to KC last week
they have subsidized flights from STL
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:43 pm
by dev49
langosta wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:10 pm
Justin Meyer tweeted that Lufthansa was talking to KC last week
I imagine they are talking to lots of airlines, if not they aren’t doing their job. I’m not going to get my hopes up. The gov makes trips like this every year.
How many times have we seen political leaders or airline people in London over the last decade. Still no flights there. I am not going to read anything into it.
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:10 pm
by brewcrew1000
Parsons is probably talking to Lufthansa to get a special nonstop flight for the chiefs game happening in Munich, will have this special flight for like a week
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:25 pm
by langosta
dev49 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:43 pm
langosta wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:10 pm
Justin Meyer tweeted that Lufthansa was talking to KC last week
I imagine they are talking to lots of airlines, if not they aren’t doing their job. I’m not going to get my hopes up. The gov makes trips like this every year.
How many times have we seen political leaders or airline people in London over the last decade. Still no flights there. I am not going to read anything into it.
Yea KCI talks to many airlines but Lufthansa is the only airline the governor has mentioned meeting with overseas. There are obvious reasons to with their serving STL
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:30 pm
by TheUrbanRoo
Why would you fly all the way to Europe just for a one week flight for a Chiefs game..
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:44 pm
by GRID
brewcrew1000 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:10 pm
Parsons is probably talking to Lufthansa to get a special nonstop flight for the chiefs game happening in Munich, will have this special flight for like a week
I hope something like that is not subsidized. That would be pointless and a waste of money.
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:02 pm
by beautyfromashes
I just don't agree with the thought that it has to be a hub or nothing at all, AMS/CDG/LHR or bust. Prove demand with another major city. We pack planes to Rome or Barcelona or Madrid, the hubs will likely notice and respond. We need a proof of concept. I know so many people who would go to any city that's a nonstop. So many people went to Iceland that wouldn't have otherwise due to the nonstop.
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:07 pm
by dev49
langosta wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:25 pm
dev49 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:43 pm
langosta wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:10 pm
Justin Meyer tweeted that Lufthansa was talking to KC last week
I imagine they are talking to lots of airlines, if not they aren’t doing their job. I’m not going to get my hopes up. The gov makes trips like this every year.
How many times have we seen political leaders or airline people in London over the last decade. Still no flights there. I am not going to read anything into it.
Yea KCI talks to many airlines but Lufthansa is the only airline the governor has mentioned meeting with overseas. There are obvious reasons to with their serving STL
Just like last year.
Not sure what other airlines he would talk to anyway. No airline in Sweden, his other stop, is coming.
I’m just skeptical anything comes of these trips. They look good but I’m not sure what he really can do airline or otherwise just meeting with companies that already have a presence in the state. Seems like just taking advantage of a free trip to Europe, not that I blame him.
https://www.ozarkradionews.com/local-ne ... etherlands
Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:53 pm
by brewcrew1000
TheUrbanRoo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:30 pm
Why would you fly all the way to Europe just for a one week flight for a Chiefs game..
I wasn't being serious but knowing how politicians work I don't think it's that far fetched.