I-70

KCPowercat · Post by **KCPowercat** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:13 pm

I paid for 5 years driving from Manhattan to KC. It wasn't that bad. It was under $2 each way.

shinatoo · Post by **shinatoo** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:26 pm

If you can't aford the toll there is always US 50.

Post by **dangerboy** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:56 pm

shaffe wrote:wow, as a college student at mizzou i say thumbs down to this one..

if i have to pay everytime i want to go home i'd be real pissed, so would the 5000 other kids who go here that are from kc (even more if you add in the st. louis kids too).

It's either a toll or higher gas taxes. Take your pick. Do you want an extra $2 for every tank of gas, or $2 just when you drive on I-70? Or do you just want to let it keep falling apart?

The roads can't be fixed for free, so you have to pay for it one way or another.

ComandanteCero · Post by **ComandanteCero** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:29 pm

isn't there amtrak too? That would be a good way to support rail while saving some cash.

ShowME · Post by **ShowME** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:46 pm

wow, as a college student at mizzou i say thumbs down to this one..

if i have to pay everytime i want to go home i'd be real pissed, so would the 5000 other kids who go here that are from kc (even more if you add in the st. louis kids too

If you're too cheap to pay the toll then just stay home and go to UMKC or UMSL.

shaffe · Post by **shaffe** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:10 pm

ShowME wrote:
wow, as a college student at mizzou i say thumbs down to this one..

if i have to pay everytime i want to go home i'd be real pissed, so would the 5000 other kids who go here that are from kc (even more if you add in the st. louis kids too
If you're too cheap to pay the toll then just stay home and go to UMKC or UMSL.

paying a toll every time i want to go back (it's 6 bucks a way in ks i believe) shouldn't be a part of my college education just because i'm choosing to attend a better insitution than UMKC for my eduation. 12 bucks a trip back home, times 15 trips per year is an extra 200 bucks out of my pocket.

btw, in case you wanted to know where i got my numbers, i got them from here. it's 140 miles from kc to columbia.

http://ksturnpike.com/tolls/cls2.html

scooterj · Post by **scooterj** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:03 am

15 trips back per year????

shaffe · Post by **shaffe** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:25 am

i know people that go back to kc every few weeks for various reasons. 7 times in a 4 month semester isn't outrageous, especially when you consider going out and coming back at the ends of the semester.

*shrug*, i'd rather pay the gas taxes really, toll booths are just an inconvenience IMO.

GRID · Post by **GRID** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:11 am

DRG Engineering is designing a single point interchange at I-70 and Noland similar to the new ones at 87th & I-35 and Parallell & I-635.

An example of a single point:

They are also designing a new modified Maltese Cross, full-directional, four-level interchange at I-70 & I-435 near the stadiums. Here is an example of that:

Post by **dangerboy** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:31 am

Are these funded? I thought they were finishing the I-70 MIS. Will the I-70/I-435 interchange allow for the full six lanes of I-70 all the way under I-435?

GRID · Post by **GRID** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:42 am

dangerboy wrote:Are these funded? I thought they were finishing the I-70 MIS. Will the I-70/I-435 interchange allow for the full six lanes of I-70 all the way under I-435?

The Noland Road project is funded and is supposed to start construction next year. It will include re-building and widening I-70 under Noland to eight lanes. The 435/70 interchange is not yet funded, but is supposed to get going in 07 or 08 and yes, it will allow eight through lanes on both I-70 and I-435.

shinatoo · Post by **shinatoo** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:14 pm

GRID wrote:
dangerboy wrote:Are these funded? I thought they were finishing the I-70 MIS. Will the I-70/I-435 interchange allow for the full six lanes of I-70 all the way under I-435?
The Noland Road project is funded and is supposed to start construction next year. It will include re-building and widening I-70 under Noland to eight lanes. The 435/70 interchange is not yet funded, but is supposed to get going in 07 or 08 and yes, it will allow eight through lanes on both I-70 and I-435.

Thank God!!!

So if they start in 08 it should be done late 2014!

Post by **dangerboy** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:06 pm

Any word on straightening the curves?

KCforumer · Post by **KCforumer** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:16 pm

dangerboy wrote:Any word on straightening the curves?

Will this require tearing much more of the inner-city down?

scooterj · Post by **scooterj** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:54 pm

KCforumer wrote:
dangerboy wrote:Any word on straightening the curves?
Will this require tearing much more of the inner-city down?

If so, then let's leave the curves as they are.

Post by **staubio** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:34 pm

scooterj wrote:
KCforumer wrote:
dangerboy wrote:Any word on straightening the curves?
Will this require tearing much more of the inner-city down?

If so, then let's leave the curves as they are.

Ah, who needs the inner city anyway? The people we'd displace are poor anyway, just slice up their neighborhood! I mean, look what the 71 expressway did for neighborhoods like Ivanhoe. Nothing like an abyss right through the heart of the neighborhood to really realize that awesome "progress" that driving fast wins you.

Okay, sorry, I'm done.

Post by **staubio** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:36 pm

GRID wrote: An example of a single point:

I'm having trouble seeing this. To me, it looks like all of the ramps are in the same space vertically. Do they pass over/under each other?

scooterj · Post by **scooterj** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:53 pm

staubio wrote:
GRID wrote: An example of a single point:

I'm having trouble seeing this. To me, it looks like all of the ramps are in the same space vertically. Do they pass over/under each other?

They cross in the same plane. It's a signal-controlled intersection. The metal latticework you see crossing the multi-lane road in the center of the main intersection is the one and only traffic light for the entire intersection. This kind of interchange (SPUI) takes a little getting used to but it moves a lot of traffic very efficiently. They're good for areas where traffic exiting the freeway tends to back up into the freeway traffic lanes.

This is what 87 & I-35 is being reconfigured into. I've used one of these several times in Columbus, OH.

Post by **dangerboy** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:25 pm

Here is some info about this type of interchange from MoDOT project in St. Louis: http://www.thenewi64.org/1d1_designfeat.jsp

Straightening the curbs would requiring taking some houses, but the sad fact is that the houses near curbs are in bad shape. This could be opportunity to get some major investments in improving the remaining houses near the freeway.

The damage to the urban core was already done back in the 1950s. While taking more houses is definitely undesirable, I think the lives that would be saved by a better freeway is more desirable.

BVC · Post by **BVC** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:42 am

Doesn't modern for our region, especially MO, mean 1970's standards?

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