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Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 2:11 pm
by Anthony_Hugo98
Fountains wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:25 pm
This seems like fear porn
After reading it that’s the vibe I was picking up as well.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:14 pm
by AlkaliAxel
Fountains wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:10 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:29 pm
Fountains wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:25 pm
This seems like fear porn
I think this coming winter is gonna be very telling.
Last winter was the 4th warmest in KC history, and for sure the warmest I've ever felt. First snowfall wasn't till January. If that repeats itself again (or worse) then I'd say yeah it's headed in that direction permanently and Nov. & Dec. will be pretty normal months.
2012 February seemed like most days were 60s/70s. I wouldn't put much stock into one season
Yeah, that's why I said if that same caliber of winter happens again then it's probably permanently headed in that direction.
It's going to keep getting warmer. The only question is the *pace* of it. And that's where politicians trip themselves up, predicting it way too early.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:47 pm
by im2kull
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:29 pm
Fountains wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:25 pm
This seems like fear porn
I think this coming winter is gonna be very telling.
Last winter was the 4th warmest in KC history, and for sure the warmest I've ever felt. First snowfall wasn't till January. If that repeats itself again (or worse) then I'd say yeah it's headed in that direction permanently and Nov. & Dec. will be pretty normal months.
We still have yet to eclipse our all time high set in 1901. We also haven't had an exceptionally warm summer in the last 20 years. This summer has been average by all accounts. Perhaps even less than average with our 1 day of 100*F heat.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:14 pm
by AlkaliAxel
im2kull wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:47 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:29 pm
Fountains wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:25 pm
This seems like fear porn
I think this coming winter is gonna be very telling.
Last winter was the 4th warmest in KC history, and for sure the warmest I've ever felt. First snowfall wasn't till January. If that repeats itself again (or worse) then I'd say yeah it's headed in that direction permanently and Nov. & Dec. will be pretty normal months.
We still have yet to eclipse our all time high set in 1901. We also haven't had an exceptionally warm summer in the last 20 years. This summer has been average by all accounts. Perhaps even less than average with our 1 day of 100*F heat.
Here are a couple indiciators from within the last 9 months off the top of my head:
1. From the National Weather Serive KC region: "And yet again, we have reached the century mark [100° F] in Kansas City. This marks the third occurrence this summer,
more than the last 10 summers combined."
https://twitter.com/NWSKansasCity/statu ... wM-bPDtiVA
2. From December 2021: Missouri and Kansas record hottest December ever as winters continue to heat up
"The average
temperature last month was 43.1 degrees, which was well above the average of 31.1 degrees for the time period between 1972 and 2000. The
previous record was 39.7 degrees set in 2015."
I mean that's....alot. 3.5 degree bump??
https://account.kansascity.com/paywall/ ... ab_archive
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:17 am
by FangKC
We also had 80-degree temperatures in April, and 90-degree temperatures in May.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:21 am
by ericwyner
FangKC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:17 am
We also had 80-degree temperatures in April, and 90-degree temperatures in May.
and a dusting of snow in early May in some years
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:27 am
by AlkaliAxel
ericwyner wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:21 am
FangKC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:17 am
We also had 80-degree temperatures in April, and 90-degree temperatures in May.
and a dusting of snow in early My
I definitely didn't snow in May...or even April
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:48 am
by FangKC
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:56 am
by Anthony_Hugo98
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:27 am
ericwyner wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:21 am
FangKC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:17 am
We also had 80-degree temperatures in April, and 90-degree temperatures in May.
and a dusting of snow in early My
I definitely didn't snow in May...or even April
I don’t think they meant last year, 2014 time frame when we got near a foot of snow in May is I think what they were addressing
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:52 am
by Highlander
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:14 pm
im2kull wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:47 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:29 pm
I think this coming winter is gonna be very telling.
Last winter was the 4th warmest in KC history, and for sure the warmest I've ever felt. First snowfall wasn't till January. If that repeats itself again (or worse) then I'd say yeah it's headed in that direction permanently and Nov. & Dec. will be pretty normal months.
We still have yet to eclipse our all time high set in 1901. We also haven't had an exceptionally warm summer in the last 20 years. This summer has been average by all accounts. Perhaps even less than average with our 1 day of 100*F heat.
Here are a couple indiciators from within the last 9 months off the top of my head:
1. From the National Weather Serive KC region: "And yet again, we have reached the century mark [100° F] in Kansas City. This marks the third occurrence this summer,
more than the last 10 summers combined."
https://twitter.com/NWSKansasCity/statu ... wM-bPDtiVA
2. From December 2021: Missouri and Kansas record hottest December ever as winters continue to heat up
"The average
temperature last month was 43.1 degrees, which was well above the average of 31.1 degrees for the time period between 1972 and 2000. The
previous record was 39.7 degrees set in 2015."
I mean that's....alot. 3.5 degree bump??
https://account.kansascity.com/paywall/ ... ab_archive
It would be interesting to know how KCMO is measuring temperature. Better yet where they are measuring it? Has the location changed over the past 100 years? and how is the urban heat island impacting the temperature? These issues could create a 2-3
o F change in temperature.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:15 pm
by swid
The official weather readings for the city are at KCI - that tracks with the mention of "between 1972 and 2000" from the second article.
Before KCI opening, I'd guess city weather readings were from the downtown airport, and before then...city hall?
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:17 pm
by AlkaliAxel
They’ve been measuring at MCI airport for a long time. Which means you’re getting a colder measuring stick than 99% of people are feeling. They’re also getting snow prob that we don’t see often.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:30 pm
by DColeKC
Feels like we can't do much about this when you get down to it. Not saying we shouldn't continue to focus on decreasing Co2 emissions because that's an honorable goal but this planet is going to do what it's going to do. We're a mere spec on earths timeline.
People have a hard time buying into the climate change stuff because it's complicated. They see headlines like, "KC will be hot as fuck in 30 years" one week followed by, "KC set to have severe hibernation inducing winter this year".
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:07 am
by FangKC
People can't seem to understand that a heating planet will still be cold at times. It's about extremes. Like getting 9-15 inches of rain in 24 hours as they did in Dallas this past week.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:01 am
by im2kull
FangKC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:07 am
People can't seem to understand that a heating planet will still be cold at times. It's about extremes. Like getting 9-15 inches of rain in 24 hours as they did in Dallas this past week.
Nobody's saying that climate change isn't real. They're debating humans impact on a universe scale natural phenomena.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:15 am
by FangKC
No. They're not debating it anymore. Unless you are some lobbyist for fossil fuel companies or a scientist whose funding comes from the aforementioned.
Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ears-ago/
It appears you aren't willing to accept any responsibility for human impact because it's too inconvenient for you or you are willing to be a passive bystander unwilling to do anything but accept the inevitable. That's how your post comes across to me.
UN warns Earth ‘firmly on track toward an unlivable world’
“The big message we’ve got (is that) human activities got us into this problem and human agency can actually get us out of it again,” said Skea, the panel’s co-chair.
The panel’s reports have become increasingly blunt since the first one was published in 1990, and the latest may be the last before the planet passes 1.5C of warming, Skea told the AP.
Last August, it said climate change caused by humans was “an established fact” and warned that some effects of global warming are already inevitable. In late February, the panel published a report that outlined how further temperature increases will multiply the risk of floods, storms, drought and heat waves worldwide.
https://apnews.com/article/climate-unit ... 88b37a690e
Let's just hope you don't vacation in the West and a wildfire breaks out and they find your bones clutching the steering wheel of your vehicle. That would be a nasty outcome. Or maybe you should stay away from driving near Brush Creek during one of those Dallas-like deluges they had last week.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:05 am
by DColeKC
^ and you’re blaming all of this on the human impact alone? No consideration for insane climate history this planet has experienced even before humans roamed it?
You mentioned earlier that the only people denying climate change are scientists who are funded by fossil fuel companies. Yet you have no worries that climate change science is big business and funded by special interest too?
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:38 am
by phuqueue
The "insane climate history this planet has experienced even before humans roamed it" hasn't tended to include dramatic swings over mere decades. We can see that the climate is changing and measure the ways in which it has already changed. We know that carbon dioxide can cause these changes. We can measure the change in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the period in which the changes have occurred. We can also measure how much carbon dioxide has been released into the atmosphere due to human activities during this period. On a level of actually doing the science, capturing that data, and translating it into predictions about the pace at which the climate will continue to change, what specific effects that will have on human society, etc, this is all very complicated, but on the level of "is this even true at all," it is quite straightforward.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:05 am
by DColeKC
phuqueue wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:38 am
The "insane climate history this planet has experienced even before humans roamed it" hasn't tended to include dramatic swings over mere decades. We can see that the climate is changing and measure the ways in which it has already changed. We know that carbon dioxide can cause these changes. We can measure the change in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the period in which the changes have occurred. We can also measure how much carbon dioxide has been released into the atmosphere due to human activities during this period. On a level of actually doing the science, capturing that data, and translating it into predictions about the pace at which the climate will continue to change, what specific effects that will have on human society, etc, this is all very complicated, but on the level of "is this even true at all," it is quite straightforward.
I don’t question the negative impacts of human created emissions on the atmosphere and climate. I only question the severity and the fear mongering end of days stuff. Climate scientists don’t get funding if they say “it is what it is” and the government doesn’t spend trillions subsidizing clean energy if scientists don’t say it will help the environment and climate. There’s always some motivation involved.
Re: Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
by phuqueue
Why would climate scientists say "it is what it is" if in actuality "it is whatever we make it"? But whatever, I'm just glad someone is finally here to stand up to the Big Science-Green Energy industrial complex.