Re: Office project at 27th & Main
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:12 pm
Aren't they the counter movement to a pretty substantial development machine?
The little development collaboration that there is is losing and starting to lose by a large margin.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:12 pm Aren't they the counter movement to a pretty substantial development machine?
TIF will be phased out in the next 5-10 years and we’ll be talking about rent controls. There is no way that 5 or 10 developers can fight against a growing anti-TIF population including public school boards and activist groups that protest in front of the mayors office and disrupt council meetings. They’ll give in to demands.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:06 pm I don't think the anti tif people would agree with that at all. I don't think I do either.
Incentives for residential have been phased out functionally. Hotel probably too and it appears that office has quickly become the next target.beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:38 pmTIF will be phased out in the next 5-10 years and we’ll be talking about rent controls. There is no way that 5 or 10 developers can fight against a growing anti-TIF population including public school boards and activist groups that protest in front of the mayors office and disrupt council meetings. They’ll give in to demands.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:06 pm I don't think the anti tif people would agree with that at all. I don't think I do either.
I think a lot of residents would be happy giving up having a library, rec. center, public plazas, retail spaces in TIFed buildings if the developers would just contribute more to school districts, and funding to existing libraries, etc.earthling wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:44 pm A reasonable incentives/TIF compromise is for broader public benefit requirements on the ground floor of buildings that ask for significant incentives/TIF... public market, library, public rec center and even city functions such as KCPD or CID foot patrol center, vehicle registration - lots of public services could be placed at base of any new significant building. Canadian cities do this and contributes to community activity. It may not appease all anti-TIFrs but probably enough to sway council. And it would give much more life to these buildings rather than potentially becoming isolated islands. More life than just a retail spot as well.
There has always been a problem with education about how TIF funding works. The vast majority of residents who protest TIF don't appear to understand how it works, or that many TIF projects do benefit the City more financially than if the project didn't happen. They often decry the developers getting rich, when many projects only make a modest profit required to get bank financing. They also seem to forget that developers work to make money just as they do in their jobs. Do they not expect to be paid for their work?beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:38 pmTIF will be phased out in the next 5-10 years and we’ll be talking about rent controls. There is no way that 5 or 10 developers can fight against a growing anti-TIF population including public school boards and activist groups that protest in front of the mayors office and disrupt council meetings. They’ll give in to demands.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:06 pm I don't think the anti tif people would agree with that at all. I don't think I do either.
As mentioned, it's about convincing council members in the end, not anti-TIFrs. It would be a compromise that also builds up better public services within the streetscape.FangKC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:57 pmI think a lot of residents would be happy giving up having a library, rec. center, public plazas, retail spaces in TIFed buildings if the developers would just contribute more to school districts, and funding to existing libraries, etc.earthling wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:44 pm A reasonable incentives/TIF compromise is for broader public benefit requirements on the ground floor of buildings that ask for significant incentives/TIF... public market, library, public rec center and even city functions such as KCPD or CID foot patrol center, vehicle registration - lots of public services could be placed at base of any new significant building. Canadian cities do this and contributes to community activity. It may not appease all anti-TIFrs but probably enough to sway council. And it would give much more life to these buildings rather than potentially becoming isolated islands. More life than just a retail spot as well.
I can't speak for all of them though. Some people are just determined not to be pleased.
^^This^^ is the answerearthling wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:44 pm A reasonable incentives/TIF compromise is for broader public benefit requirements on the ground floor of buildings that ask for significant incentives/TIF... public market, library, public rec center and even city functions such as KCPD or CID foot patrol center, vehicle registration - lots of public services could be placed at base of any new significant building. Canadian cities do this and contributes to community activity. It may not appease all anti-TIFrs but probably enough to sway council. And it would give much more life to these buildings rather than potentially becoming isolated islands. More life than just a retail spot as well.
Crown Center does not want to sell that land (yet).moderne wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:25 pm The other two office buildings on the south side of CC are connected to rest of the complex by enclosed walkways. This could have been connected also if it were to be built on the vacant land just south of Shook Hardy. It would take an enormously long hamster tube to connect this building on its island between Grand and Main.