Re: OFFICIAL: The Legends at Village West
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:48 am
Sounds like any large development anywhere in the KC metro area.No public subsidies, no Cerner.
Sounds like any large development anywhere in the KC metro area.No public subsidies, no Cerner.
FTFYaknowledgeableperson wrote:Sounds like any large development anywhere in the KC metro area United States.No public subsidies, no Cerner.
not really. The Legends sold on the courthouse steps. Several area big box stores have already closed. They're right on the edge of over extended on the area.aknowledgeableperson wrote:The problem with the Speedway incentives is the economic activity is covering the debt load. Whereas with a few of KCMO's incentives the economic activity doesn't.
Several? I can only think of Best Buy (along with 50+ others nationwide, and not located in Legends anyways) and Books A Million (which relocated and got a lot smaller, again part of a larger corporate failure)flyingember wrote:not really. The Legends sold on the courthouse steps. Several area big box stores have already closed. They're right on the edge of over extended on the area.aknowledgeableperson wrote:The problem with the Speedway incentives is the economic activity is covering the debt load. Whereas with a few of KCMO's incentives the economic activity doesn't.
That did not affect the status of public debt. No tax dollars lost. Tax revenues generated still cover debt payments for the area.not really. The Legends sold on the courthouse steps. Several area big box stores have already closed. They're right on the edge of over extended on the area.
The article says that The Legends is moving to a more ful fledge outlet presence. This would mean all those Cerner workers stranded out there have one less option to go eat at and apparently, The Legends is going to push for more restaurants to depart... at least within the "mall" itself. Gah!KCMax wrote:Backfire BBQ closed
Perhaps take this with a grain of salt because I've never actually been out to the Great Mall. But I don't think the Village West/Legends area will look like Odessa because there is simply too much money invested. Even if the "Legends" shopping itself becomes a bunch of VF, Lee Jeans, and Mountain Man Nut & Fruit Co. outlets I still think the area will be busy because of the stadium/track, NFM, casino, and all the other retail developments.brewcrew1000 wrote:Do you think in 10-15 years Legends will look like the Great Mall or the one out in Odessa or even Warrenton by STL or does this one actually have staying power with the stuff around it
I agree with you to a point, however, what happends if Legends pushes out all the eating/dining options? No where to eat before or after an event or what there is out there will be too busy to try and patronize if only a handful of places are left. I don't personally want to hit Wendy's or McDs and those places are packed around event times. The casino is a different animal and people usually spend their time/money within the casino. NFM?... When IKEA opens, how will that affect NFM's volume? EVERYONE I know intends to never go back to NFM once IKEA opens. Anyways, The only time I go out that direction is for Sporting (love them, hate the location) and Schlitterbahn. In the course of 5 visits to that area since the beginnning of the year, I've actually gone to a restaurant or store once outside of the event I was attending. Bleh.smh wrote:Perhaps take this with a grain of salt because I've never actually been out to the Great Mall. But I don't think the Village West/Legends area will look like Odessa because there is simply too much money invested. Even if the "Legends" shopping itself becomes a bunch of VF, Lee Jeans, and Mountain Man Nut & Fruit Co. outlets I still think the area will be busy because of the stadium/track, NFM, casino, and all the other retail developments.brewcrew1000 wrote:Do you think in 10-15 years Legends will look like the Great Mall or the one out in Odessa or even Warrenton by STL or does this one actually have staying power with the stuff around it
I'm not saying I like this, but I do think it is how it will be.
The Legends is more like Branson or the one at Osage Beach, you go there for multiple things in the same area. it can be made part of a larger tripbrewcrew1000 wrote:Do you think in 10-15 years Legends will look like the Great Mall or the one out in Odessa or even Warrenton by STL or does this one actually have staying power with the stuff around it
Have any of those people ever been to an IKEA?? That's like saying you'll never visit Long John Silvers again once Chipotle opens. They both have food but that's where the similarities end. NFM actually came out publicly in support of IKEA because it can only help their sales.geeman68 wrote:smh wrote:brewcrew1000 wrote: NFM?... When IKEA opens, how will that affect NFM's volume? EVERYONE I know intends to never go back to NFM once IKEA opens.
Considering how often restaurants fail, that's probably about average. The concern would be if there were tons of empty spaces out there, but I haven't found that to be the case.longviewmo wrote:How many restaurants have already failed out there? A dozen?