Re: KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:32 pm
Indy isn't getting the World Cup. They get this and it will seal my utter hatred of that city.
WC is a 1 month event that airlines can add event specific flights for.beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:32 pm Indy isn't getting the World Cup. They get this and it will seal my utter hatred of that city.
Do we have to let them add those flights or limit the amount we allow in a bid to force their hand to add a nonstop now? I'd love the city to get a little more forceful in pushing disincentives instead of just incentives. Just a bit of fear that they will miss out on a nonstop to a World Cup destination might be all that's needed to force their hand to add Kansas City now instead of waiting and missing an opportunity. We're being too nice about this. Begging isn't working. It's time to use the cards that we have.normalthings wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:57 pmWC is a 1 month event that airlines can add event specific flights for.beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:32 pm Indy isn't getting the World Cup. They get this and it will seal my utter hatred of that city.
True. It wasn’t a well thought out question, admittedly. I just hate that the only way to get a transatlantic is to pay. We are negotiating from a place of absolute weakness. Literally begging. And that hurts my city pride. Just trying to think of what we can do to force their hand in some way.WoodDraw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:35 pm Sometimes I feel like people don’t know how flights work lol
We’re surrounded by pretty established international hubs.
If you’re traveling from Spain or Italy or Portugal or France and on and on, these airports all have established transatlantic routes. People aren’t going to fly to London to get on ba to fly to kc.
You’ll see these hubs add extra flights to kc and change the metal but like this isn’t going to change their long term decision making process.
If we get a transatlantic flight it because we guaranteed money.
Corporate travel drives flight traffic. In St. Louis, significant corporate agreement to purchase tickets on Lufthansa to help boost the flight. Lufthansa has been successful in St. Louis, and the expectation is that they will go to 5-7 weekly next summer.beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:11 pmTrue. It wasn’t a well thought out question, admittedly. I just hate that the only way to get a transatlantic is to pay. We are negotiating from a place of absolute weakness. Literally begging. And that hurts my city pride. Just trying to think of what we can do to force their hand in some way.WoodDraw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:35 pm Sometimes I feel like people don’t know how flights work lol
We’re surrounded by pretty established international hubs.
If you’re traveling from Spain or Italy or Portugal or France and on and on, these airports all have established transatlantic routes. People aren’t going to fly to London to get on ba to fly to kc.
You’ll see these hubs add extra flights to kc and change the metal but like this isn’t going to change their long term decision making process.
If we get a transatlantic flight it because we guaranteed money.
So a daily flight is a commitment of over $50 million per year by the airline.This would put the average large widebody cost for a seven-hour flight across the Atlantic at just over $72,000, given 2018 conditions.
Missouri recently granted $5 million in incentives. I'm not sure what happens to the original $1.2 million package or if its in addition to.herrfrank wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:59 pm Additional sources indicating MCI may in fact get this new BA nonstop -- how much $$$ did Missouri promise?
AA will have to finish that club space pronto -- Admirals Clubs at AUS, EWR and DEN are in renovations currently. Guessing the new service would start Summer 2023, perhaps not daily but 3x weekly.
What sources? Forum, news article, person told you?herrfrank wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:59 pm Additional sources indicating MCI may in fact get this new BA nonstop -- how much $$$ did Missouri promise?
AA will have to finish that club space pronto -- Admirals Clubs at AUS, EWR and DEN are in renovations currently. Guessing the new service would start Summer 2023, perhaps not daily but 3x weekly.
This is correct. For mid-size cities like MCI, unless they have guarantees, it is going to be hard to sustain. Similar size cities have the incentives AND/OR they have enough corporations that have heavy ties overseas that can help sustain the business class/fares (where money is made). I.E. GlaxoSmith Kiline in Raleigh or Nike and Intel in Portland or Bayer/Monsanto in STL.WoodDraw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:35 pm Sometimes I feel like people don’t know how flights work lol
We’re surrounded by pretty established international hubs.
If you’re traveling from Spain or Italy or Portugal or France and on and on, these airports all have established transatlantic routes. People aren’t going to fly to London to get on ba to fly to kc.
You’ll see these hubs add extra flights to kc and change the metal but like this isn’t going to change their long term decision making process.
If we get a transatlantic flight it because we guaranteed money.
https://simpleflying.com/british-airway ... mmer-2023/BA set to launch another US route: BA serves 26 US airports from London. There's much speculation that it will announce another route soon. There's no firm indication where it'll be, and rumors are rife.
The decision will be based on many factors, including the amount of premium demand, London point-to-point demand, how much of the broader Europe demand it can realistically achieve, freight traffic, the city/region's economic performance, the airport/region's financial incentives, and more.
It would be especially exciting if it were a US city without London service; it had previously requested slots for Indianapolis, although slots easily hide another route, and there's speculation that it could be Kansas City, Cincinnati, or St Louis. Each tick multiple boxes.
trexel94 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:35 pm Sun Country may be announcing KC soon according to this Twitter post. Stay tooned.
https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1592296475459211266
https://ishrionaviation.com/news/sun-co ... -expansion
It’s bookable on the website. Starts May 29normalthings wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:45 pmtrexel94 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:35 pm Sun Country may be announcing KC soon according to this Twitter post. Stay tooned.
https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1592296475459211266
https://ishrionaviation.com/news/sun-co ... -expansion
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