OFFICIAL: Port Authority Riverfront Project

Issues concerning Downtown as described by the Downtown Council. River to 31st Street, I-35 to Bruce R. Watkins.
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AlkaliAxel wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 1:44 pm
KCtoBrooklyn wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 12:56 pm
normalthings wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 12:44 pm

Give it a few years yes
I think it will be sooner on the Mac project. I bet we hear something fairly soon.
Agreed. I don't think it'll be too long.
Have to imagine at least a couple proposals need to make it through the council before it is reintroduced
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freedog wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 1:59 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 1:44 pm
KCtoBrooklyn wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 12:56 pm
I think it will be sooner on the Mac project. I bet we hear something fairly soon.
Agreed. I don't think it'll be too long.
Have to imagine at least a couple proposals need to make it through the council before it is reintroduced
Not until projects start getting approved or council seats flip. Why keep dumping money into projects that won’t get approved?
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Is that showing us something new?
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KCPowercat wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:32 pm Is that showing us something new?
New stop location
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I can't place the location there isn't anything saying where it is?
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:16 pm
KCPowercat wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:32 pm Is that showing us something new?
New stop location
Based on the sidewalks shown in the diagram, I think you can discern that the location is even with the 2 streets named Berkely Plaza. I think the two rocks in this photo are in the diagram as well. Here's a Streetview.

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KCPowercat wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:32 pm Is that showing us something new?
sorry, its where the ivy over hangs are now.


double sides LRT style and length platforms is great
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So it's further east than originally laid out? Nice. Thanks for sharing.
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KCPowercat wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:12 pm So it's further east than originally laid out? Nice. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, initial change of stop location came after the current stadium announcement I believe.
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Is the stop going to be super huge? It dwarfs the park in this drawing
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I guess I'd like to have the stop a few feet west and not remove the park feature? It also could be moved south along the roadway and displace the head-in parking. After all, isn't that the point?
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Pastense wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:26 am I guess I'd like to have the stop a few feet west and not remove the park feature? It also could be moved south along the roadway and displace the head-in parking. After all, isn't that the point?
I also was thinking the same. Why such an effort to retain the parking?
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As designed, the streetcar removes parkland to keep parking spaces. Not an acceptable trade.
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Yeah good points not liking this at all. Also do we need a super stop when there is a good chance going east to isle of Capri ?
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I think this looks great, happy the stop was moved east a bit. It will be central to both the park and both existing and future development that fronts the park. Union already has retail space facing this spot and it's easy to imagine future development to the east featuring similar. Could become a nice central focal point for the whole area.

I understand the theoretical issues "trading parkland for parking spaces" but there is plenty of green space here; the existing pergola feature looks a bit tired and with any luck could be replaced with another attractive park feature or public art along with the streetcar stop. Some amount of street parking is/will be necessary to service the park and (hopefully) retail surrounding it.
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It could be because our leadership is more concerned with career politics so they listen to the citizens, which in theory is exactly what they should do. However, when you are a city with slow minded individuals who have no concept of urban living you basically make a bunch of stupid decisions and call it democracy lol.
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Pastense wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:31 am As designed, the streetcar removes parkland to keep parking spaces. Not an acceptable trade.
I think using some of the non-developed green space (its not a park) for the purpose of dedicated transit is a great use.

I believe stormwater and other utilities are below the roadway making it less attractive also.

Some amount of street parking is needed for visitors to the area.
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KCPowercat wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:01 am Also do we need a super stop when there is a good chance going east to isle of Capri ?
Think so yes. July 4th and Stadium crowds will all use this stop.
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It's probably not that big of an incremental cost so no biggie, can't hurt I guess. It's straight through so can easily go east.
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