OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

[im2kull]

Any exhibit space that would be in a hotel will not part of the exhibit hall space of Bartle and if the proposed hotel is built that "sky-walk" away from Bartle would be at least one block away, physically, but more by actual walking.  That may not be much to you but for exhibitors and show managers that would be a very big deal.  Again, no one has answered the question asked before, if you were an exhibitor at a convention would you want to be in that space at the hotel or would you want to be where the action is, on the main floor?  You might say "well people staying at the hotel would visit the space but conventions that would use that much exhibit space would have people spread out at various hotels and going to that "hotel exhibit space" would not be a trip many would take.

So build a Hotel and more space at Bartle.  Brilliant! You clearly understand the concept at hand...

Go the the web sites of the various convention centers around the country and view their exhibit space setup.  Freedom Hall is a central part of the space for the facility it is in.  Same for RCA Dome if memory is correct.  Many buildings do have larger "contiguous" than Bartle's 388k.  And "larger floor spaces" have more importance than "column-free" spaces.  Again, if you need 500k of floor space then Bartle is out whether or not it is "column-free". 

Right, and going by those cities standards we should include Kemper Arena, and the Sprint Center in our counts of exhibit space??  You make a good point about needing more than 500k of floor space, but then again...if you need more than 500k of floor space you need somewhere close for the attendees to sleep    This isn't a baseball fantasy movie...we can't simply say "If you build it, they will come".  Additional convention space is a moot point...we need hotel rooms to attract the conventions in the first place...akp..

[shinatoo]

Any exhibit space that would be in a hotel will not part of the exhibit hall space of Bartle and if the proposed hotel is built that "sky-walk" away from Bartle would be at least one block away, physically, but more by actual walking.  That may not be much to you but for exhibitors and show managers that would be a very big deal.  Again, no one has answered the question asked before, if you were an exhibitor at a convention would you want to be in that space at the hotel or would you want to be where the action is, on the main floor?  You might say "well people staying at the hotel would visit the space but conventions that would use that much exhibit space would have people spread out at various hotels and going to that "hotel exhibit space" would not be a trip many would take.

Go the the web sites of the various convention centers around the country and view their exhibit space setup.  Freedom Hall is a central part of the space for the facility it is in.  Same for RCA Dome if memory is correct.  Many buildings do have larger "contiguous" than Bartle's 388k.  And "larger floor spaces" have more importance than "column-free" spaces.  Again, if you need 500k of floor space then Bartle is out whether or not it is "column-free". 

Of the five most recent ones I've been to; Orlando, Atlanta, Denver, Las Vegas and Anaheim, none have hotels physically connected to the exhibit space let alone within as short a walking distance as proposed in KC.

[KCPowercat]

There is no RCA Dome.

[im2kull]

There is no RCA Dome.

I was wondering about this...there hasn't been for nearly 2 years now.

Non-knowledgeable person, lol!

"The RCA Dome was demolished in April 2007 to make way for a car wash center."
-Wiki

[aknowledgeableperson]

There is no RCA Dome.

Just going by the website referenced earlier by someone else.

http://guest.cvent.com/RFP/Listing/Venu ... Text_Links

The Indiana Convention Center & RCA Dome is managed by the Capital Improvement Board of Managers (CIB) which was created in 1965 by the Indiana General Assembly and empowered to finance and manage capital improvements.

Located in the heart of Indianapolis and within walking distance of numerous hotels and restaurants, the convention center complex, along with the stadium, houses more than 400,000 square feet of exhibit space and nearly 140,000 square feet of meeting space.

The RCA Dome, home of the Indianapolis Colts, also provides an exciting setting for NCAA basketball, motor sports and world-class entertainment events. The 95,000 square foot stadium floor attracts conventions, trade shows and many religious services.  The RCA Dome offers Two club rooms (with over 14,000 square feet of space in each Touchdown Club room)  providing intimate and exclusive atmosphere for a variety of events. And 104 luxury suites including five super suites for lease.

At the top of the page on the above it states:
Indiana Convention Center & Lucus Oil Stadium 
Venue Type: Convention Center 
 

[aknowledgeableperson]

Right, and going by those cities standards we should include Kemper Arena, and the Sprint Center in our counts of exhibit space?? 

Why?

They are not "connected" to the convention complex like the others.

[KC_JAYHAWK]

RCA Dome is gone....imploded on Dec 30th, 2008.

[KC-wildcat]

Why?

They are not "connected" to the convention complex like the others.

Which is exactly what people are trying to explain to you.  When the RCA dome was in existence, it was considered a part of Indy's convention package.  Freedom Hall is considered part of Louisville's convention package.  etc. 

In many cities, the convention package consists of various free standing, unconnnected facilities.  We lose conventions to many of these cities. 

What does this tell us?

(1) Sprint Center should be included in our convention package.
(2) Incorporating exhibit space in a convention hotel (located 1-2 blocks away) is a GOOD idea. 

[trailerkid]

RCA Dome is gone....imploded on Dec 30th, 2008.

Remember that AKP is a know-it-all also involved with CVB for years in KC. That fact speaks volumes about the CVB...

[im2kull]

Which is exactly what people are trying to explain to you.  When the RCA dome was in existence, it was considered a part of Indy's convention package.  Freedom Hall is considered part of Louisville's convention package.  etc. 

In many cities, the convention package consists of various free standing, unconnnected facilities.  We lose conventions to many of these cities. 

What does this tell us?

(1) Sprint Center should be included in our convention package.
(2) Incorporating exhibit space in a convention hotel (located 1-2 blocks away) is a GOOD idea. 

Thank you for explaining this...I was getting awfully tired of trying to get my point across.  Glad to see that someone else understands my internet sarcasm.

[KCMax]

Convention hotel task force sets brisk pace

The convention hotel task force is off to a brisk start, appointing co-chairs who vow to inject some urgency into what has been a fairly lethargic undertaking to date.

City Councilwoman Cindy Circo and Bill George, CEO of the Kansas City Transportation Group, were named co-chairs by the 20-member committee at its first meeting late last month.

They've set an ambitious agenda of wrapping up the committee's work by next spring.

The pair even have the chutzpah to suggest the proposed 1,000-room hotel could open in time for the 2012 Major League Baseball All-Star game being considered for Kansas City.

[DaveKCMO]

oh, the sense of urgency!

[MidtownCat]

Convention hotel task force sets brisk pace

The convention hotel task force is off to a brisk start, appointing co-chairs who vow to inject some urgency into what has been a fairly lethargic undertaking to date.

City Councilwoman Cindy Circo and Bill George, CEO of the Kansas City Transportation Group, were named co-chairs by the 20-member committee at its first meeting late last month.

They've set an ambitious agenda of wrapping up the committee's work by next spring.

The pair even have the chutzpah to suggest the proposed 1,000-room hotel could open in time for the 2012 Major League Baseball All-Star game being considered for Kansas City.

Lol.

[aknowledgeableperson]

Remember that AKP is a know-it-all also involved with CVB for years in KC. That fact speaks volumes about the CVB...

You are wrong again.  Worked at the convention center.  Had very little contact with the CVB, others did that.

Which is exactly what people are trying to explain to you.  When the RCA dome was in existence, it was considered a part of Indy's convention package.  Freedom Hall is considered part of Louisville's convention package.  etc

The RCA Dome was connected to the CC.  From WIKI:
It was completed in 1983 at a cost of $28 million as part of the Indiana Convention Center.

And:
The Indiana Convention Center is a convention center located in Indianapolis, Indiana. It contains over 400,000 square feet (40,000 m2) of open exhibit space and almost 140,000 square feet (13,000 m2) of group meeting space. It was finished in late 1983 along with the Hoosier Dome (later named the RCA Dome), which it was connected to prior the Dome's deconstruction in 2008.

And:
The stadium was replaced by a new retractable-roof stadium, Lucas Oil Stadium, in time for the 2007 NFL season. The RCA Dome will be replaced by additional space for the adjacent Indiana Convention Center. The new convention space will eventually connect to Lucas Oil Stadium in much the same way that the existing Indiana Convention Center had been connected to the RCA Dome (although the new connecting walkway will pass under a railroad track).


If the Sprint Center was connected to the CC then the same could be said about it.


Freedom Hall is not considered part of the Louisville Convention Center but part of the Kentucky Exposition Center.
Also from WIKI:
Freedom Hall is a multipurpose arena in Louisville, Kentucky, on the grounds of the Kentucky Exposition Center.

When one goes to the Kentucky International Convention Center web site, http://www.kyconvention.org/meeting_fac ... ities.html
the description of the facilities does not include Freedom Hall.
However the main page of the KICC, http://www.kyconvention.org/, it does mention the KEC much like the KCCC could mention the American Royal Complex, which includes Kemper.  No matter, Freedom Hall is not part of the convention center site nor part of its convention package.

Any exhibit space that would be part of the proposed hotel next to the KCPL building would be minimal, probably way less than 25,000 sq ft.  What the city needs is at least 100,000 sq ft and probably close to 125,000 to 150,000 if not more.

Afterall, we lost Walmart because of hotel rooms AND exhibit space.
Afterall, we lost SKILLS because of hotel rooms AND exhibit space.
Afterall, we lost and were not considered for FFA in the future because of hotel rooms and exhibit space.
Other conventions we hosted in the past, such as the Fire Chiefs and ICSC, which did not return were also because of hotel rooms and exhibit space.

Just adding hotel rooms will not be enough when we lose conventions because of exhibit space, or because of other space needs.

[im2kull]

To borrow your own words...

You are wrong again.

Here's why..(Look for the bold, highlighted, underlined, and enlarged part)

The RCA Dome was connected to the CC.  From WIKI:
It was completed in 1983 at a cost of $28 million as part of the Indiana Convention Center.

And:
The Indiana Convention Center is a convention center located in Indianapolis, Indiana. It contains over 400,000 square feet (40,000 m2) of open exhibit space and almost 140,000 square feet (13,000 m2) of group meeting space. It was finished in late 1983 along with the Hoosier Dome (later named the RCA Dome), which it was connected to prior the Dome's deconstruction in 2008.

And:
The stadium was replaced by a new retractable-roof stadium, Lucas Oil Stadium, in time for the 2007 NFL season. The RCA Dome will be replaced by additional space for the adjacent Indiana Convention Center. The new convention space will[glow=red,2,300] eventually [/glow] connect to Lucas Oil Stadium in much the same way that the existing Indiana Convention Center [glow=red,2,300]had been [/glow] connected to the RCA Dome (although the new connecting walkway will pass under a railroad track).
If the Sprint Center was connected to the CC then the same could be said about it.


Freedom Hall is not considered part of the Louisville Convention Center but part of the Kentucky Exposition Center.
Also from WIKI:
Freedom Hall is a multipurpose arena in Louisville, Kentucky, on the grounds of the Kentucky Exposition Center.

When one goes to the Kentucky International Convention Center web site, http://www.kyconvention.org/meeting_fac ... ities.html
the description of the facilities does not include Freedom Hall.
However the main page of the KICC, http://www.kyconvention.org/, it does mention the KEC much like the KCCC could mention the American Royal Complex, which includes Kemper.  No matter, Freedom Hall is not part of the convention center site nor part of its convention package.

Any exhibit space that would be part of the proposed hotel next to the KCPL building would be minimal, probably way less than 25,000 sq ft.  What the city needs is at least 100,000 sq ft and probably close to 125,000 to 150,000 if not more.

Afterall, we lost Walmart because of hotel rooms AND exhibit space.
Afterall, we lost SKILLS because of hotel rooms AND exhibit space.
Afterall, we lost and were not considered for FFA in the future because of hotel rooms and exhibit space.
Other conventions we hosted in the past, such as the Fire Chiefs and ICSC, which did not return were also because of hotel rooms and exhibit space.

Just adding hotel rooms will not be enough when we lose conventions because of exhibit space, or because of other space needs.

[aknowledgeableperson]

However, whatever space that would be in a hotel will be way, way less than the space to be found at the Lucas Oil Stadium.

Connected space does have limitations though.  Level 3 of the Conference Center is connected to Bartle Hall by a wide walkway.  But in my experiences there a convention never used the space in the Conference Center for additional exhibit space, only meeting room space. 

So go ahead and build exhibit space, and associated other space, that you would find in the old RCA Dome or the Lucas Oil Stadium and connect it to Bartle Hall.

Thank you for proving my point.

[im2kull]

However, whatever space that would be in a hotel will be way, way less than the space to be found at the Lucas Oil Stadium.

I'm not talking about Convention Hotel space, I'm talking about future convention space that would be directly attached to Bartle.  A hotel would surely provide plenty of new "Meeting Room" space though.  You seem to think it the other way around.

To borrow your own words (again):

Thank you for proving my point.

[aknowledgeableperson]

I'm not talking about Convention Hotel space, I'm talking about future convention space that would be directly attached to Bartle.  A hotel would surely provide plenty of new "Meeting Room" space though.  You seem to think it the other way around.

When in the future??????????????????????

20 years from now?
Afterall, it has been almost 20 years since the city started talking about adding exhibit space to Bartle which was completed in 1994.
Sorry, the future is now with regards to exhibit floor expansion.

Current hotels already have "Meeting Room" space.  Guess what?  Conventions do not use them.  They may be used for functions related to the convention, such as sponsor parties, but are not used directly by the conventions.

[moderne]

I have been to plenty of conventions that used ONLY hotel exhibit and meeting space, some up to 3,000 attendees. 

[im2kull]

Current hotels already have "Meeting Room" space.  Guess what?  Conventions do not use them.  They may be used for functions related to the convention, such as sponsor parties, but are not used directly by the conventions.

Right.


Let's go call the DT Marriott (Currently our largest hotel DT) and see how much meeting room space they can offer?  
"93,374 sq ft of flexible meeting space with dedicated staff for groups of 10 to 2,000..."
-Marriott

Any guess how much a flagship Marriott is offering these days?
"..Over 140,000 sq ft of meeting space, including a 40,000 sq ft ballroom & 40,000 sq ft exhibit hall. "
- Marriott


Now that's quite a stretch, even for you AKP, to say that conventions DO NOT USE the exhibit & meeting space within a hotel.  If that were true do you think Marriott would be encorporating 140,000+ sq ft of space into every one of their new hotels????


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