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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:41 pm
by taxi
That is one perfect nickname. Hope you don't mind if I use that from now on.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:49 pm
by beautyfromashes
grovester wrote:
Too bad the election data will be tainted by Chastain's involvement.
I understand people automatically voting against anything backed by Chastain. The guy is ridiculous. But, if this produces a city-wide funding source for transportation that the council can modify based on costs and desires, why would this note be worth voting for? The piecemeal TDD plan shouldn't be the ultimate way that we fund transportation in a major city.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:04 pm
by warwickland
KCPowercat wrote:St. Louis built in a way different time with a lot of federal money available....and traffic problems that spurred people to want other options.

The capital cost to build the initial phase of MetroLink was $465 million. Of that amount, $348 million was supplied by the Federal Transit Administration (FTA)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroLink_(St._Louis)
i think that the 24 mile "clayton" extension was substantially funded by local money but i can't recall...

it took about 9 years from concept (or deciding route, anyway) by the east-west council to operation.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:13 am
by DaveKCMO
question numbers for august 8, should you decide to vote yes on chastain (and for understanding what might happen with turnout, given what's actually on the ballot -- nothing but citywide petition initiatives):

Q1 - DeJanes anti-streetcar
Q2 - Chastain
Q3 - minimum wage

https://www.kceb.org/useruploads/Sample ... ebsite.pdf

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:40 am
by kboish
As dirty as it makes me feel, I think I'm going to be a yes on Q2.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:11 pm
by shinatoo
Question 1 seams like it wouldn't hold up against the TDD. Not sure what they are trying to accomplish.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:34 pm
by chingon
shinatoo wrote:Question 1 seams like it wouldn't hold up against the TDD. Not sure what they are trying to accomplish.
It seems like it's prima facie unconstitutional. What they are trying to accomplish is to create a mechanism to tie up the streetcar expansion vote in the courts, because they don't think they will win the TDD vote.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:18 am
by flyingember
shinatoo wrote:Question 1 seams like it wouldn't hold up against the TDD. Not sure what they are trying to accomplish.
It will be thrown out in a second because of a critical error. read this post.
The point on unconstitutional is true, I bet the commerce clause will be cited

http://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19 ... 80#p562612

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:28 am
by DaveKCMO
please chime in when you receive your ballots!

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/kc ... 96359.html

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:38 pm
by kboish
Received my ballot today

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:42 pm
by earthling
Got mine too.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:18 pm
by hgascoigne
Just checked my mail and mine was there too!

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:04 pm
by KCPowercat
Received!

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:27 pm
by WSPanic
Got mine today.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:41 am
by town cow
Yup.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:49 am
by kcjak
Ours too! Can anyone provide info on where to get your signature notarized? I haven't had to do that in forever.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:17 am
by KCPowercat
Dave will hold notarizing events I'm sure. Your bank will also do it and I believe are required to do it for free for ballots

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:48 am
by earthling
Washington and Oregon have vote by mail by default and apparently no notary needed. Is there a reason to require notary? WA/OR don't appear to have any complaints of abuse. Wish MO would go all in with vote by mail by default. The 'turnout' for small elections tends to be about the same for the big ones.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:04 am
by shinatoo
That would make it to easy for non-white/poor people to vote.

Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:08 am
by earthling
^gasp