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Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:42 pm
by KCPowercat
speaking of this block generally, it would be nice if that garage would use the Washington St. entry for public parking, not the one right off 13th. Any crowd whatsoever backs up traffic onto broadway. .
That or speed up the entry process.
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:50 am
by Cratedigger
cityscene wrote:
Council committee may resume review of KC Southern/Merriman purchase of city-owned parking lot at 12th & Broadway this week. First phase creates pocket park at northeast corner, reserves land for future HQ expansion per slide revealed last week.
Hoped for more, sooner here. I guess it retains CPKC and is better than a parking lot. But I definitely thought that if the city was conveying the land to someone that there would be a higher and better use for this land than a pocket park and a parking lot
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=63 ... 7613525986
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:01 am
by moderne
A pocket park with Barney Alllis just a block away? Will just be a waiting room for the Catholic charities soup kitchen. At least move the Truman train car to the pocket park where it will be seen more. The current KC Southern building is quite a monument to the line, a twin here would be fine.
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:02 am
by KCPowercat
Cathedral is moving the kitchen to 9th and Baltimore FYI but yeah this seems pretty meh and not too positive sign for anything going here anytime soon.
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:16 am
by Chris Stritzel
I notice they’re going to put a fence around the pocket park. Make every effort to keep the public out. This will be a personal garden than anything.
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:31 am
by langosta
moderne wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:01 am
A pocket park with Barney Alllis just a block away? Will just be a waiting room for the Catholic charities soup kitchen. At least move the Truman train car to the pocket park where it will be seen more. The current KC Southern building is quite a monument to the line, a twin here would be fine.
The park will be fully fenced in
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:33 am
by dukuboy1
What a trash proposal. Might as well leave it a damn parking lot. Complete lack of vision, almost astonishing.
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:13 pm
by FangKC
Dumb.
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:53 pm
by TheLastGentleman
Yikes
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:00 pm
by trexel94
I must be confused and misreading this. Aside from the park section, what is the grievance? They're still building the expansion in the parking lot aren't they?
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:03 pm
by langosta
trexel94 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:00 pm
I must be confused and misreading this. Aside from the park section, what is the grievance? They're still building the expansion in the parking lot aren't they?
A fenced in park + surface parking appears to be the plan before a future phase where they actually develop. This is upsetting because other developers might be able to build sooner. It is already a big + over what is there today though.
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:53 pm
by kcjak
The pocket park shows stairs and a tiered lawn - no better way to discourage usage than that lol
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:54 pm
by im2kull
trexel94 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:00 pm
I must be confused and misreading this. Aside from the park section, what is the grievance? They're still building the expansion in the parking lot aren't they?
It says "Future Expansion". With a "new" parking lot now. So.. probably not...
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:16 pm
by Cratedigger
kcjak wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:53 pm
The pocket park shows stairs and a tiered lawn - no better way to discourage usage than that lol
Only better way to discourage usage is to put a fence around it...
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:49 pm
by TheUrbanRoo
Ok so if I'm reading this correctly...after all that & the RFP from the city they end up with a newly paved parking lot and a fenced off yard.
What the hell?
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:07 pm
by HalcyonKC
This definitely feels like a bait and switch. Consider selling this parcel to someone else or just have the city hang onto it until an actual RFP comes through.
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:42 pm
by TheUrbanRoo
I was wondering if the city can still cancel the RFP they handed out to them
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:07 pm
by missingkc
I can't help but think the city knew exactly what was going to happen and still went along in hopes it would keep the US headquarters. People need to scream bloody murder. In three years headquarters moves to KS and CPKC holds onto property as an investment. Nothing happens. Carpenters redux. Somebody ought to be shot..
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:37 pm
by FangKC
In these situations, the City should hold on to the land until the financing plan has been approved, final architectural plans are approved, and the construction company hired. Proposals fall through.
The other option is for the City to grant a ground lease until after the structure is finished, and then transfer the deed after a contracted number of years. This creates a land transfer only after the developer has completed the contract -- constructing a building.
This keeps land out of the hands of developers who sit on it for years and decades.
This should have been done for the parcels on the block of Grand between 12th and 13th streets that the Land Clearance Redevelopment Authority held before Copaken Brooks got control of them. The fact they didn't do this knowing Copaken Brooks has a history of sitting on speculative land parcels for long periods means the City and its redevelopment agencies are being foolish.
Re: 12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:37 pm
by Cratedigger
FangKC wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:37 pm
In these situations, the City should hold on to the land until the financing plan has been approved, final architectural plans are approved, and the construction company hired. Proposals fall through.
The other option is for the City to grant a ground lease until after the structure is finished, and then transfer the deed after a contracted number of years. This creates a land transfer only after the developer has completed the contract -- constructing a building.
This keeps land out of the hands of developers who sit on it for years and decades.
This should have been done for the parcels on the block of Grand between 12th and 13th streets that the Land Clearance Redevelopment Authority held before Copaken Brooks got control of them. The fact they didn't do this knowing Copaken Brooks has a history of sitting on speculative land parcels for long periods means the City and its redevelopment agencies are being foolish.
Honestly I’m surprised this isn’t how it works.
Why isn’t this this the process?