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DColeKC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:56 pm

phuqueue wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:21 pm I don't actually find most of what you say about race to be even remotely respectful to the actual people you are talking about, even if you remain cordial toward the people you are talking to

Well, let's just dance around the hard topics out of fear of being disrespectful why don't we. That'll fix this countries issues! I'm not sure how you'd find anything I've said in this conversation disrespectful. I don't deny the history. I don't disagree with who suffers the most from poverty in this country. I just don't think more reparations will do anything positive for black Americans. You have a portion of this country who may disagree with how to help the problem, but won't say anything realistic or honest. If we are going to acknowledge the issues facing black Americans, you have to include the issues that outside help can't and won't address. If my willingness to bring those topics up is somehow disrespectful, I'm ok with it.

Do you think reparations will help fix the issues facing the black community?
Do you admit or deny there's a major cultural issue in the black community in regards to absentee fathers?
If you admit that's a problem, do you think having more present fathers would be beneficial?


It's pathetic that we can't have open and honest conversations about race without someone being called racist or it being implied that being against certain liberal movements must mean you don't care about minorities or the issues they face.

Wrong - I don't want anyone being forced into crime to survive. I don't want anyone living on the streets or in a neighborhood where street violence is just a part of everyday life. I know crime would be so rare if poverty was rare. I just disagree with some of the suggestions or ideas on how to fix the issues.

But here we are, a small portion of this countries citizens so easily offended we will never solve the issues that need solved the most.

mean wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:49 pm I don't have any reason to suspect these are the same people posting as sock puppets.

I do question the insistence on a "cultural issue" in the black community regarding "absentee fathers" when we have incarcerated young black men at insane rates, made penalties harsher for crimes young black men are likely to commit, and outlawed things like marijuana because they might make white women tap their feet to that negro jazz music. Denying that the problems are in any way systemic and placing the blame on the victims is... victim blaming. Again.

im2kull wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:46 am Please don't refer to slavery in the past tense. It still exists and is widespread in much of the African continent today.

phuqueue wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:55 pm

DColeKC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:56 pm

phuqueue wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:21 pm I don't actually find most of what you say about race to be even remotely respectful to the actual people you are talking about, even if you remain cordial toward the people you are talking to

Well, let's just dance around the hard topics out of fear of being disrespectful why don't we. That'll fix this countries issues! I'm not sure how you'd find anything I've said in this conversation disrespectful. I don't deny the history. I don't disagree with who suffers the most from poverty in this country. I just don't think more reparations will do anything positive for black Americans. You have a portion of this country who may disagree with how to help the problem, but won't say anything realistic or honest. If we are going to acknowledge the issues facing black Americans, you have to include the issues that outside help can't and won't address. If my willingness to bring those topics up is somehow disrespectful, I'm ok with it.

Do you think reparations will help fix the issues facing the black community?
Do you admit or deny there's a major cultural issue in the black community in regards to absentee fathers?
If you admit that's a problem, do you think having more present fathers would be beneficial?


It's pathetic that we can't have open and honest conversations about race without someone being called racist or it being implied that being against certain liberal movements must mean you don't care about minorities or the issues they face.

Wrong - I don't want anyone being forced into crime to survive. I don't want anyone living on the streets or in a neighborhood where street violence is just a part of everyday life. I know crime would be so rare if poverty was rare. I just disagree with some of the suggestions or ideas on how to fix the issues.

But here we are, a small portion of this countries citizens so easily offended we will never solve the issues that need solved the most.

The main politics thread is already a cesspool, so why do you have to spill it over into other threads? If you really want to air all your noxious views, just go back to that thread and reread all the posts from the last time we did this and pretend they're new, cuz writing them all over again is all I'd end up doing anyway if I indulged you again.

mean wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:49 pm I don't have any reason to suspect these are the same people posting as sock puppets.

I do question the insistence on a "cultural issue" in the black community regarding "absentee fathers" when we have incarcerated young black men at insane rates, made penalties harsher for crimes young black men are likely to commit, and outlawed things like marijuana because they might make white women tap their feet to that negro jazz music. Denying that the problems are in any way systemic and placing the blame on the victims is... victim blaming. Again.

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:00 am This threads title is 2023 election and you don’t want us talking about politics???

If politics and local elections aren’t your thing, try staying out of those threads.

phuqueue wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:37 am

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:00 am This threads title is 2023 election and you don’t want us talking about politics???

If politics and local elections aren’t your thing, try staying out of those threads.

The thread title is, specifically, 2023 KCMO Election, and I was lurking in here because I don't live in KC anymore and am not that plugged into what's going on there and was interested in keeping tabs. But then somebody who claims to be disappointed in Lucas because "he's tried to bring national issues into city politics" made the head-scratching decision to, uh, bring national issues into the city politics thread, which has as a predictable result become further poisoned by all of the board racists taking this as your cue to crawl out of the woodwork again to voice all the same disgusting shit we've already heard from you before.

Listen, I'm not a mod, it's not my job to police threads, so I won't keep harping on it (and I'd add that this board's mods typically take an appreciated light touch, so I am not suggesting that a mod should come in here and forcibly shut this down). I only wanted, first, to warn people who typically steer clear of the politics thread that no good would come of engaging with you on this topic (not because it's "scary" to talk about but because it's a waste of time to try to have a good faith conversation about race with somebody who has no interest in confronting their own racism), and second, to suggest that if you really want to flaunt your ignorance further, there's already a better thread for that. Now I've done those things, so I'll leave it at that.

Goonies wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:35 pm My intent for posting that article about Lucas and reparations wasnt to start a debate about reparations that's a topic for another thread. My point was thats yet again another pie in the sky thing Lucas is wasting his time over. Just another example like today's back and forth with the police board. This really isnt accomplishing anything.

Goonies wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:43 am

FangKC wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:55 am The hotel program ended Thursday.

https://fox4kc.com/news/kansas-citys-ho ... a-success/

Right. So the city spent millions and we are back to where we were in Feburary. This doesnt look good.

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:12 pm I know it's cynical, but perhaps the programs was just providing every last opportunity to help people and a cover to remove people who are still on the street? "You had jobs training options, temporary housing to get on your feet, drug rehabilitation services. We have nothing left to give you, leave the area." ?

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:28 pm

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:12 pm I know it's cynical, but perhaps the programs was just providing every last opportunity to help people and a cover to remove people who are still on the street? "You had jobs training options, temporary housing to get on your feet, drug rehabilitation services. We have nothing left to give you, leave the area." ?

I mean, where’s the lie though? We’re all these people offered access to all of those programs? If so…that sounds like it’s on them at this point.

KCKev wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:48 pm The goal was to stop covid spread. All homeless gathered up and tested keeping them from wandering around and super spreading.
Think things are bad today, could have been many times worse. Feds payed for it not you or the City.

Goonies wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:05 am The camp in Westport didn't last long this time I believe they were moved to Pen Valley?