Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:56 pm
Also a lot easier to corral a train in, you can't just hop on any track & transfer over. Nothing like a plane freely flying in any direction.
In some places you have to go through metal detectors (Eurostar, Brightline and the Spanish highspeed network being a few examples), but the great thing about trains is that so much of the inconvenience of air travel is removed. I want people to be safe, but also suggest we should be careful about rebuilding the airport security apparatus around train travel when, anecdotally observing other countries, safety doesn't seem to be much of an issue.DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:12 pm Was reading about the bright line project and I know nothing about high speed rail.
How safe is it?
How do they prevent attacks? For example, only way to utilize a plane for an attack is to hijack it or plant something on it.
Wouldn’t the entire rail system be much easier to plant a device on? Have other countries suffered any attacks on high speed rail?
And it’s also well established that airport style security doesn’t do a good job of actually stopping anythingsmh wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:53 amIn some places you have to go through metal detectors (Eurostar, Brightline and the Spanish highspeed network being a few examples), but the great thing about trains is that so much of the inconvenience of air travel is removed. I want people to be safe, but also suggest we should be careful about rebuilding the airport security apparatus around train travel when, anecdotally observing other countries, safety doesn't seem to be much of an issue.DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:12 pm Was reading about the bright line project and I know nothing about high speed rail.
How safe is it?
How do they prevent attacks? For example, only way to utilize a plane for an attack is to hijack it or plant something on it.
Wouldn’t the entire rail system be much easier to plant a device on? Have other countries suffered any attacks on high speed rail?
Thislangosta wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:57 amAnd it’s also well established that airport style security doesn’t do a good job of actually stopping anythingsmh wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:53 amIn some places you have to go through metal detectors (Eurostar, Brightline and the Spanish highspeed network being a few examples), but the great thing about trains is that so much of the inconvenience of air travel is removed. I want people to be safe, but also suggest we should be careful about rebuilding the airport security apparatus around train travel when, anecdotally observing other countries, safety doesn't seem to be much of an issue.DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:12 pm Was reading about the bright line project and I know nothing about high speed rail.
How safe is it?
How do they prevent attacks? For example, only way to utilize a plane for an attack is to hijack it or plant something on it.
Wouldn’t the entire rail system be much easier to plant a device on? Have other countries suffered any attacks on high speed rail?
TSA fails 95% of Dept. Homeland Security testsim2kull wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:19 pmThislangosta wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:57 amAnd it’s also well established that airport style security doesn’t do a good job of actually stopping anythingsmh wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:53 am
In some places you have to go through metal detectors (Eurostar, Brightline and the Spanish highspeed network being a few examples), but the great thing about trains is that so much of the inconvenience of air travel is removed. I want people to be safe, but also suggest we should be careful about rebuilding the airport security apparatus around train travel when, anecdotally observing other countries, safety doesn't seem to be much of an issue.
Any reasonably smart terrorist will just blow up the central security areas anyways.. since they're unsecured and dense.
With thousands of miles just out in the open, unsecured, it seems to me that placing a device on a high speed rail section and detonating right before the train encounters this section would cause extreme damage. I just see airline travel as safer from those types of threats as long as you can ensure nothing is brought on board.
I mean, that’s an assumed risk, the same as a highway… you can’t secure a system into 100% safety.DColeKC wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:44 amWith thousands of miles just out in the open, unsecured, it seems to me that placing a device on a high speed rail section and detonating right before the train encounters this section would cause extreme damage. I just see airline travel as safer from those types of threats as long as you can ensure nothing is brought on board.
I've never experienced high speed rail, so the concept is so foreign to me that I'm for sure overthinking this but seems like a valid concern. A quick google search lead me to a study conducted back in 2013 by the Mineta Transportation Institute about securing high speed rail in the United States. I'll give that a read later.