OFFICIAL - East9 (former Pickwick Plaza)

[FangKC]

It was purchased in 2010 I think.

Here is the thread.

http://forum.kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... k&start=40

[flyingember]

As a newcomer to Kansas City, the imaginary line between walkable downtown KC and slightly sketchy downtown KC is Grand Blvd (not sure why, but that's how I see it in my head).

huh.

because the school board, city hall, courts, federal courts and federal office building are all east of Grand.

and JE Dunn, AT&T, a bunch of residential, the Oak office tower and a few churches

downtown changes the most at I-70/US 71, much more so than at Grand

[mgh7676]

As a newcomer to Kansas City, the imaginary line between walkable downtown KC and slightly sketchy downtown KC is Grand Blvd (not sure why, but that's how I see it in my head).

huh.

because the school board, city hall, courts, federal courts and federal office building are all east of Grand.

and JE Dunn, AT&T, a bunch of residential, the Oak office tower and a few churches

downtown changes the most at I-70/US 71, much more so than at Grand

It must just be in my head, but I feel like like downtown is much more walkable west of Grand. I think the sea of parking lots right on Grand helped build that illusion.

[smh]

As a newcomer to Kansas City, the imaginary line between walkable downtown KC and slightly sketchy downtown KC is Grand Blvd (not sure why, but that's how I see it in my head).

huh.

because the school board, city hall, courts, federal courts and federal office building are all east of Grand.

and JE Dunn, AT&T, a bunch of residential, the Oak office tower and a few churches

downtown changes the most at I-70/US 71, much more so than at Grand

It must just be in my head, but I feel like like downtown is much more walkable west of Grand. I think the sea of parking lots right on Grand helped build that illusion.

You are correct. While walking to the courthouses and City Hall is[/i[ relatively pleasant--anything beyond that is unbearable. A true wasteland. Hopefully that changes sooner than later! Also, I think part of the reason may be that Grand is the "dicier" of the main drags through downtown. Given a choice I'd take Main or Walnut any day.

[FangKC]

The area east of Grand will improve a lot once the East Village (east of Locust to I-35 east loop from E. 14th to E. 8th streets) is completed with housing, the new General Services Administration building, some retail, and possibly the new downtown YMCA.

[Zorobabel]

Looks awesome, but will any of it actually be built besides the one that has already been constructed?

[FangKC]

I think the state has already set up economic development tax credits to fund the housing part of the development. I recall there being some problem between Swope Community Developers and Sherman Associates over long-term development, and I think Swope pulled out as development managers, and Sherman might have taken over. Swope might still be involved overseeing putting together all the various development financing, and securing different economic development tools.

I imagine the commercial parts of the overall development will have to be financed in a different manner. They also might be waiting to see if the YMCA choses as East Village location or not, and that might impact what else is built depending on the outcome. If YMCA goes to EV, then they will probably put together the financing through fundraising, and various other development tools.

[mgh7676]

Looks awesome. I'm sure the information is in another thread, but is there any planned retail in this development?

[Eon Blue]

I can't wait for the East Village area to be built out, especially the commercial aspect. River Market is not really that far from my building, but I-70 represents a large psychological barrier to thinking of it as adjacent. To the east there is the same issue with the east loop. Going south you get into the government district, which is bereft of much commercial development. Really, you have to either cross the highway to RM or walk 6+ blocks to the SW to get into much of a commercial area.

[kboish]

When it was first proposed building the YMCA in east village my gut reaction was, no. Don't spread out downtown. After thinking about it a bit I've come around. If the YMCA gets 400 units built in the east village then i'd be for it. I'd hope that momentum would then help get the Pickwick done as well.

are there any other buildings east of grand prime to get done (excluding Argyle)?

[mgh7676]

The buildings on 9th, between Cherry and Holmes would be nice redevelopment projects (think one is the Blackstone Hotel). It's too bad there isn't much of a building stock for the East Village redevelopment to utilize. One of my favorite parts about Quality Hill are the old mansions mixed in with the newer development.

[FangKC]

One building for redevelopment would be the Grand Avenue Temple Office Building on the SW corner of 9th and Grand.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... ,,0,-17.61

Another would be the former Insurance Building on the NW corner of 10th and Oak. Nick Abnos owns it now.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... ,,0,-22.38

The Board of Education Building would be another.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... ,,0,-15.13

I don't know how full Oak Tower is, but it might be another prime building to redevelop into housing at some point.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... ,,0,-21.81

I think the City should start putting together a redevelopment plan to buy up parcels east of the I-35 Loop between Harrison and Paseo, and build more housing in that area. Once the East Village is completed, that would be the next logical area to rebuild. There are plenty of infill parcels there, and some older buildings that could be renovated or redeveloped. A lot of the industrial warehouses could be demolished and replaced with apartment buildings and blocks of townhomes.

There are also several parcels on the west side of Paseo that are ready for taller residential buildings, or towers. The south side of Admiral Boulevard east of Troost to Woodland is also well-suited for taller apartment buildings.

Aerial of that neighborhood.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 64106&z=16

Closer up 45 degree angle.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... eg=90&z=18

ABC Storage at 8th and Troost.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 9,,0,-9.41

Old houses at 8th and Troost.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 36,,0,-8.9

Potential retail or commercial space at Admiral and Troost.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 1,,0,-7.88

Row houses at Admiral and Forest.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 8,,0,-8.77

Apartment building at Admiral and Forest.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 2,,0,-6.67

Apartment building at Admiral and Tracy.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... ,,0,-15.76

Former firehouse on Virginia between Independence and Admiral boulevards.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 5,,0,-9.27

Former movie theater and retail space on the NW corner of E. 8th and Virginia.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... .22,,0,2.3

Possible retail buildings at E. 8th and Tracy.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 25,,0,0.07

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 40,,0,2.55

Possible retail buildings at E. 8th and Forest.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 7,,0,-2.66

Renovation of Perry Place Apartments into studios.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 1,,0,-4.19

Redevelopment of former Masonic Temple building into commercial office, or non-profit space.

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Potential commercial or retail space at E. 10th and Forest.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 4,,0,-2.09

Gym or neighborhood community center on Tracy between E. 9th and 10th Strs.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 89,,0,-8.7

Retail or art gallery space on NW corner of Tracy and E. 9th St.. Facade could be revamped to be more attractive.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 4,,0,-6.73

Commercial office space at E. 9th and Lydia.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 6,,0,-9.46

Commerical or retail space on E. 9th Street near Lydia. New addition to front brings building to curb.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 8,,0,-4.95

Commercial office space on E. 9th and Lydia.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 5,,0,-0.69

Commercial or retail space at E. 10th and Lydia.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 3,,0,-8.71

Commercial or retail space on Lydia near E. 9th St.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 56,,0,-6.8

Renovate apartment building at E. 11th and Lydia.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... ,,0,-13.41

Replace old block houses with row of townhouses at E. 11th and Lydia.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 85,,0,-1.4

Replace old block houses with townhouses at E. 12th and Lydia.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 28,,0,1.59

Renovate for commercial and retail space on Lydia near E. 13th St.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 9,,0,-3.36

Potential art gallery or retail space on Virginia near 14th St.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 2,,0,-0.73

Potential retail space at E. 13th and Virginia.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 4,,0,-2.95

Commercial space or restaurant at E. 13th and Tracy.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 6,,0,-1.19

Redevelop former bakery building on Virginia between 11th and 12th streets into commercial space for tech or software firm.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... ,,0,-10.34

Renovate apartment building on Tracy near E. 11th and incorporate it into larger apartment development or rowhouses.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ninth+and ... 3,,0,-6.91

[KC-wildcat]

Any retail in EV is light years away, IMO. The CBD and Xroads are replete with surface lots because commercial developers don't see the demand, apparently. Cordish hasn't developed but 10% of its retail over the last several years, because there's no demand. Though it would be nice to see some new development over there, doubt we'll see any retail.

[FangKC]

I think the retail is planned for east of Charlotte up against the freeway loop, and will be the last part developed.

[loftguy]

I think the retail is planned for east of Charlotte up against the freeway loop, and will be the last part developed.

Would that not be the last place you would want to put retail in the EV?

[smh]

I think the retail is planned for east of Charlotte up against the freeway loop, and will be the last part developed.

Would that not be the last place you would want to put retail in the EV?

My impression is that retail works there (eventually) b/c no one will want to live up against the loop.

[loftguy]

I think the retail is planned for east of Charlotte up against the freeway loop, and will be the last part developed.

Would that not be the last place you would want to put retail in the EV?

My impression is that retail works there (eventually) b/c no one will want to live up against the loop.

Bridgework Lofts and Landmark Lofts are both against the freeway loop. Cold Storage Lofts overlooks highway 9 (Heart of America).

If that is true, then I'm guessing someone has looked at Charlotte as the through traffic expressway that it has been engineered into over the last 60 years.

Charlotte is now being changed into a two-way street, designed to be more friendly to pedestrians and bikes. I would hope they (the developers) would think of retail in terms of what builds a neighborhood, rather than "what can we put on this edge?".

[loftguy]

I think the retail is planned for east of Charlotte up against the freeway loop, and will be the last part developed.

Would that not be the last place you would want to put retail in the EV?

My impression is that retail works there (eventually) b/c no one will want to live up against the loop.

[Eon Blue]

My impression is that retail works there (eventually) b/c no one will want to live up against the loop.

Living next to the loop does certainly have a very limited appeal.

[smh]

My impression is that retail works there (eventually) b/c no one will want to live up against the loop.

Living next to the loop does certainly have a very limited appeal.

How bad is it? Seems like being up a few floors would help...