Four Light

[DColeKC]

How fascinating.

https://digitaledition.baltimoresun.com ... d2ffceeb1a

In that case they’ll get this off the ground and probably more during this term.

So wealthy people who say they hate the government are getting government loans while supporting an administration firing government workers in a city that is very much dependent on the government sector.

Awesome.

How much are we paying per year on debt for Power and Light?

I'm going to surmise our budget is faltering and by the time Lucas is out of office, we're going to be in real trouble.

I'm not really sure why a 9 year old article was posted but it's no secret that Reed spent time in Trumps first admin. He was there for a year before leaving. Some people believe in serving when asked, regardless of political affiliation.

Cordish uses HUD for various reasons, but they pay interest on the money which is a profit for the government.

As for government employees being fired. They're not special or any different than private employees. If any company was in as much debt as our government is, they'd have to make dramatic cuts. Our government is too big, too bloated and we need to reduce where we can. That means some negative consequences but it needs to happen.

[TheUrbanRoo]

How fascinating.

https://digitaledition.baltimoresun.com ... d2ffceeb1a

In that case they’ll get this off the ground and probably more during this term.

So wealthy people who say they hate the government are getting government loans while supporting an administration firing government workers in a city that is very much dependent on the government sector.

Awesome.

How much are we paying per year on debt for Power and Light?

I'm going to surmise our budget is faltering and by the time Lucas is out of office, we're going to be in real trouble.

Another good reason to get the Royals downtown so we can start getting more $ down there to help pay things off.

[Belvidere]

In that case they’ll get this off the ground and probably more during this term.

So wealthy people who say they hate the government are getting government loans while supporting an administration firing government workers in a city that is very much dependent on the government sector.

Awesome.

How much are we paying per year on debt for Power and Light?

I'm going to surmise our budget is faltering and by the time Lucas is out of office, we're going to be in real trouble.

I'm not really sure why a 9 year old article was posted but it's no secret that Reed spent time in Trumps first admin. He was there for a year before leaving. Some people believe in serving when asked, regardless of political affiliation.

Cordish uses HUD for various reasons, but they pay interest on the money which is a profit for the government.

As for government employees being fired. They're not special or any different than private employees. If any company was in as much debt as our government is, they'd have to make dramatic cuts. Our government is too big, too bloated and we need to reduce where we can. That means some negative consequences but it needs to happen.

We've had this argument before.

Anything can be optimized. You do not fire employees without evaluating what's going on. They could fire every single government employee and only save around 7% of government spending. That's not what they're doing. This waste, fraud, and abuse is just a line people have absorbed. They are masters of messaging and getting people to repeat it.

The reason you look at political connections is so that there's separation, not favoritism--which actually does lead to abuse. What if it were a Pelosi connection?

The same people who lecture about government waste or overreach expect the government to benefit their business. I have a relative who voted for Trump who thinks everything going on right now is really funny, even though he knows people who have been hurt by it, people in his own family. He went to a highly subsidized college, was a civilian employee on a military project as his first job which launched his career, and supervised government-funded projects even though he worked in the corporate sector. Does that mean everything was perfect? No. Does he have insights into making things work out better? He probably does. He also refuses to acknowledge that without this government support, he would not have had this career or education, advantages he now thinks nobody else deserves to experience.

Talk to anybody working at KU Med these days. It's not efficient. The lost funding and research will be devastating.

[DColeKC]

So wealthy people who say they hate the government are getting government loans while supporting an administration firing government workers in a city that is very much dependent on the government sector.

Awesome.

How much are we paying per year on debt for Power and Light?

I'm going to surmise our budget is faltering and by the time Lucas is out of office, we're going to be in real trouble.

I'm not really sure why a 9 year old article was posted but it's no secret that Reed spent time in Trumps first admin. He was there for a year before leaving. Some people believe in serving when asked, regardless of political affiliation.

Cordish uses HUD for various reasons, but they pay interest on the money which is a profit for the government.

As for government employees being fired. They're not special or any different than private employees. If any company was in as much debt as our government is, they'd have to make dramatic cuts. Our government is too big, too bloated and we need to reduce where we can. That means some negative consequences but it needs to happen.

We've had this argument before.

Anything can be optimized. You do not fire employees without evaluating what's going on. They could fire every single government employee and only save around 7% of government spending. That's not what they're doing. This waste, fraud, and abuse is just a line people have absorbed. They are masters of messaging and getting people to repeat it.

The reason you look at political connections is so that there's separation, not favoritism--which actually does lead to abuse. What if it were a Pelosi connection?

The same people who lecture about government waste or overreach expect the government to benefit their business. I have a relative who voted for Trump who thinks everything going on right now is really funny, even though he knows people who have been hurt by it, people in his own family. He went to a highly subsidized college, was a civilian employee on a military project as his first job which launched his career, and supervised government-funded projects even though he worked in the corporate sector. Does that mean everything was perfect? No. Does he have insights into making things work out better? He probably does. He also refuses to acknowledge that without this government support, he would not have had this career or education, advantages he now thinks nobody else deserves to experience.

Talk to anybody working at KU Med these days. It's not efficient. The lost funding and research will be devastating.

Business of all kinds is all about connections. Doesn’t matter if it’s selling cars or building residential buildings. You don’t have to know Trump or work in government to apply for a HUD loan, it’s a resource available to all developers Republican, Democrat and beyond. One Light was built using one before Trump was even seriously a candidate.

Show me 100 people working for a company and it’s almost guaranteed you could fire 10 and not miss a beat. Extrapolate this across our massive government sector and it applies the same. They’re not a protected class. Our country is heading towards bankruptcy if we don’t start making changes and while a few billion saved here and there may not be the one trick pony, it doesn’t mean it’s not needed or part of the overall process.

If going through some tough times now helps my kids future, let’s get going.

The constant fear mongering isn’t working like it used to. Will there be disruption in some medical research? Maybe. Will some people in government be fired only to be brought back? Probably. Someone is trying something. Someone is doing the stuff that needs to be done but no one has had the guts to do out of fear for their own reputation but this is Trump. He’s had his reputation ripped to shreads for a decade. What’s he got to lose? This is the only person I’m aware of who’s ever willingly lost wealth to get into politics. I’m here for change and I’m here for mistakes to happen. I’m just glad we are finally trying something.

Getting back to 4L. The reason there are not shovels in dirt right now is because of democratic members of our city government who like to get in the way to feel powerful. Our city has been democratically led for decades and look at us. No where near where we could be.

[Highlander]

I'm not really sure why a 9 year old article was posted but it's no secret that Reed spent time in Trumps first admin. He was there for a year before leaving. Some people believe in serving when asked, regardless of political affiliation.

Cordish uses HUD for various reasons, but they pay interest on the money which is a profit for the government.

As for government employees being fired. They're not special or any different than private employees. If any company was in as much debt as our government is, they'd have to make dramatic cuts. Our government is too big, too bloated and we need to reduce where we can. That means some negative consequences but it needs to happen.

We've had this argument before.

Anything can be optimized. You do not fire employees without evaluating what's going on. They could fire every single government employee and only save around 7% of government spending. That's not what they're doing. This waste, fraud, and abuse is just a line people have absorbed. They are masters of messaging and getting people to repeat it.

The reason you look at political connections is so that there's separation, not favoritism--which actually does lead to abuse. What if it were a Pelosi connection?

The same people who lecture about government waste or overreach expect the government to benefit their business. I have a relative who voted for Trump who thinks everything going on right now is really funny, even though he knows people who have been hurt by it, people in his own family. He went to a highly subsidized college, was a civilian employee on a military project as his first job which launched his career, and supervised government-funded projects even though he worked in the corporate sector. Does that mean everything was perfect? No. Does he have insights into making things work out better? He probably does. He also refuses to acknowledge that without this government support, he would not have had this career or education, advantages he now thinks nobody else deserves to experience.

Talk to anybody working at KU Med these days. It's not efficient. The lost funding and research will be devastating.

They’re not a protected class. Our country is heading towards bankruptcy if we don’t start making changes and while a few billion saved here and there may not be the one trick pony, it doesn’t mean it’s not needed or part of the overall process.

If going through some tough times now helps my kids future, let’s get going.

The constant fear mongering isn’t working like it used to. Will there be disruption in some medical research? Maybe. Will some people in government be fired only to be brought back? Probably. Someone is trying something. Someone is doing the stuff that needs to be done but no one has had the guts to do out of fear for their own reputation but this is Trump. He’s had his reputation ripped to shreads for a decade. What’s he got to lose? This is the only person I’m aware of who’s ever willingly lost wealth to get into politics. I’m here for change and I’m here for mistakes to happen. I’m just glad we are finally trying something.

I have no confidence that the man who added 7.8 trillion dollars to the debt during his first term is going to lead us out of debt (or even make it better) in his second term. Indiscriminate firings will not make the government more efficient and tariffs won't solve the debt issue; it will likely make it worse when Americans stop making major purchases altogether. Cutting taxes on the truly rich absolutely will not help.

And this discussion should really be in the politics thread.

[Cratedigger]

Getting back to 4L. The reason there are not shovels in dirt right now is because of democratic members of our city government who like to get in the way to feel powerful. Our city has been democratically led for decades and look at us. No where near where we could be.

Elaborate. It has all necessary approvals now right? Is this because they delayed that approval?

[DMNBT_RCJH]

I'm not really sure why a 9 year old article was posted but it's no secret that Reed spent time in Trumps first admin. He was there for a year before leaving. Some people believe in serving when asked, regardless of political affiliation.

Cordish uses HUD for various reasons, but they pay interest on the money which is a profit for the government.

As for government employees being fired. They're not special or any different than private employees. If any company was in as much debt as our government is, they'd have to make dramatic cuts. Our government is too big, too bloated and we need to reduce where we can. That means some negative consequences but it needs to happen.

We've had this argument before.

Anything can be optimized. You do not fire employees without evaluating what's going on. They could fire every single government employee and only save around 7% of government spending. That's not what they're doing. This waste, fraud, and abuse is just a line people have absorbed. They are masters of messaging and getting people to repeat it.

The reason you look at political connections is so that there's separation, not favoritism--which actually does lead to abuse. What if it were a Pelosi connection?

The same people who lecture about government waste or overreach expect the government to benefit their business. I have a relative who voted for Trump who thinks everything going on right now is really funny, even though he knows people who have been hurt by it, people in his own family. He went to a highly subsidized college, was a civilian employee on a military project as his first job which launched his career, and supervised government-funded projects even though he worked in the corporate sector. Does that mean everything was perfect? No. Does he have insights into making things work out better? He probably does. He also refuses to acknowledge that without this government support, he would not have had this career or education, advantages he now thinks nobody else deserves to experience.

Talk to anybody working at KU Med these days. It's not efficient. The lost funding and research will be devastating.

If going through some tough times now helps my kids future, let’s get going.

You make the big assumption that the tough times being brought on by the current administration are more than a giant wealth transfer to themselves and that the “trying things” will leave your kids with more upward mobility and a higher quality of life.

That is a very, very risky assumption.

[DMNBT_RCJH]

My comment asking about the odds four light breaks ground this year was because I am concerned the tenant mix is precisely the type to feel the the result of economic downturn first.

Of course, they can’t predict demand precisely, but I suspect it softens fairly quickly.

[Chris Stritzel]

Getting back to 4L. The reason there are not shovels in dirt right now is because of democratic members of our city government who like to get in the way to feel powerful. Our city has been democratically led for decades and look at us. No where near where we could be.

Elaborate. It has all necessary approvals now right? Is this because they delayed that approval?

The incentives were approved, but the actual development plan has yet to be submitted for review and approval.

[Belvidere]

I'm not really sure why a 9 year old article was posted but it's no secret that Reed spent time in Trumps first admin. He was there for a year before leaving. Some people believe in serving when asked, regardless of political affiliation.

Cordish uses HUD for various reasons, but they pay interest on the money which is a profit for the government.

As for government employees being fired. They're not special or any different than private employees. If any company was in as much debt as our government is, they'd have to make dramatic cuts. Our government is too big, too bloated and we need to reduce where we can. That means some negative consequences but it needs to happen.

We've had this argument before.

Anything can be optimized. You do not fire employees without evaluating what's going on. They could fire every single government employee and only save around 7% of government spending. That's not what they're doing. This waste, fraud, and abuse is just a line people have absorbed. They are masters of messaging and getting people to repeat it.

The reason you look at political connections is so that there's separation, not favoritism--which actually does lead to abuse. What if it were a Pelosi connection?

The same people who lecture about government waste or overreach expect the government to benefit their business. I have a relative who voted for Trump who thinks everything going on right now is really funny, even though he knows people who have been hurt by it, people in his own family. He went to a highly subsidized college, was a civilian employee on a military project as his first job which launched his career, and supervised government-funded projects even though he worked in the corporate sector. Does that mean everything was perfect? No. Does he have insights into making things work out better? He probably does. He also refuses to acknowledge that without this government support, he would not have had this career or education, advantages he now thinks nobody else deserves to experience.

Talk to anybody working at KU Med these days. It's not efficient. The lost funding and research will be devastating.

Business of all kinds is all about connections. Doesn’t matter if it’s selling cars or building residential buildings. You don’t have to know Trump or work in government to apply for a HUD loan, it’s a resource available to all developers Republican, Democrat and beyond. One Light was built using one before Trump was even seriously a candidate.

Show me 100 people working for a company and it’s almost guaranteed you could fire 10 and not miss a beat. Extrapolate this across our massive government sector and it applies the same. They’re not a protected class. Our country is heading towards bankruptcy if we don’t start making changes and while a few billion saved here and there may not be the one trick pony, it doesn’t mean it’s not needed or part of the overall process.

If going through some tough times now helps my kids future, let’s get going.

The constant fear mongering isn’t working like it used to. Will there be disruption in some medical research? Maybe. Will some people in government be fired only to be brought back? Probably. Someone is trying something. Someone is doing the stuff that needs to be done but no one has had the guts to do out of fear for their own reputation but this is Trump. He’s had his reputation ripped to shreads for a decade. What’s he got to lose? This is the only person I’m aware of who’s ever willingly lost wealth to get into politics. I’m here for change and I’m here for mistakes to happen. I’m just glad we are finally trying something.

Getting back to 4L. The reason there are not shovels in dirt right now is because of democratic members of our city government who like to get in the way to feel powerful. Our city has been democratically led for decades and look at us. No where near where we could be.

Please talk to people who are living the reality that you are in favor of?

I have a neighbor who works at KU Med so I asked him about it.

I'm repeating what I've been told and I have no way of checking it, but this is what he said:

The state of Kansas told the medical center and college a long time ago to look for federal grants because state funding was not going to be there. So they did.

Because of Trump and canceling funding, and firing people, they are something like $240 million in debt because they were spending money they were counting on receiving, funds that had been promised. My friend is spending his time helping staff as they move from building to building and office to office, because they're not sure which building they're going to be able to keep going.

They are cancer researchers and much of that research is at risk. Right now.

OMG, Trump has not lost wealth by being in office!!!! He's cashed in like crazy.

People are not guinea pigs. You don't try things on them. We've already seen presidents who've made massive mistakes because they have listened to the wrong groups or think tanks, or made moves purely out of politics and not for the benefit of citizens.
The way Trump is doing it is illegal: by the time anybody has courage to do anything about it, it will be too late. That's not fear-mongering.

[TheLastGentleman]

Politics thread is leaking

[Belvidere]

Politics thread is leaking

Sorry. Mea culpa.

[missingkc]

Maybe, until that Godless, traitorous, criminal, miscreant is gone, everything is politics.

[Chris Stritzel]

I think with Cordish, people need to remember that when 3 Light was announced, they also wanted to get that under construction within relatively short order but it ended up taking a while. It’ll be no different with 4 Light and any of the other future buildings. You can have the desired start and then the real start. I think they’ll break ground before the end of the Fall on this project.

The success of all of their other residential buildings proves that there’s demand for a product like this.

[KCKev]

Four Light will cement the need for cheap sunglasses when Downtown

[DColeKC]

Getting back to 4L. The reason there are not shovels in dirt right now is because of democratic members of our city government who like to get in the way to feel powerful. Our city has been democratically led for decades and look at us. No where near where we could be.

Elaborate. It has all necessary approvals now right? Is this because they delayed that approval?

The incentives were approved, but the actual development plan has yet to be submitted for review and approval.

All incentives were approved years ago during the last modification to the master development agreement. There was no legal way for the city to back out of these incentives yet the city council slow rolled it and delayed for no other reason than to feel powerful and put on a show. This cost the development 6+ months.

[im2kull]

Elaborate. It has all necessary approvals now right? Is this because they delayed that approval?

The incentives were approved, but the actual development plan has yet to be submitted for review and approval.

All incentives were approved years ago during the last modification to the master development agreement. There was no legal way for the city to back out of these incentives yet the city council slow rolled it and delayed for no other reason than to feel powerful and put on a show. This cost the development 6+ months.

Agree. The agreement was black and white. The city absolutely shot themselves in the foot trying to reneg. That has had a chilling effect on developers wanting to enter the KC market.

[chingon]

Someone is trying something. Someone is doing the stuff that needs to be done but no one has had the guts to do out of fear for their own reputation but this is Trump. He’s had his reputation ripped to shreads for a decade. What’s he got to lose? This is the only person I’m aware of who’s ever willingly lost wealth to get into politics

Bwahahahahahahahaha. You are a sucker, a chump and a mark.

[DColeKC]

Someone is trying something. Someone is doing the stuff that needs to be done but no one has had the guts to do out of fear for their own reputation but this is Trump. He’s had his reputation ripped to shreads for a decade. What’s he got to lose? This is the only person I’m aware of who’s ever willingly lost wealth to get into politics

Bwahahahahahahahaha. You are a sucker, a chump and a mark.

We all can’t be so righteous like you my friend. Some of us have to be big dummies who join Cults and support psychotic concepts like reducing government waste and fraud, even if it’s ugly.

Bottom line is Trump has nothing to lose. He’s not beholden to rich donors who influence his every move. Not saying there isn’t some influence but nowhere near the level of the last several presidents not named Trump.

I also didn’t say he hasn’t made the money back. Hard to actually tell.

Btw I’m not “maga” and I never will be. I understand we live in a “all or nothing” environment where if you don’t join up with one side you’re automatically labeled a member of the other side. I just like the wrecking ball approach. It’s not like it can’t be rebuilt if needed and all the fear mongering isn’t actually happening. Not at the levels some want you to believe.

If you want to continue this conversation. Go drop sold more personal insults in the politics section. Clown.

[Link2]

Someone is trying something. Someone is doing the stuff that needs to be done but no one has had the guts to do out of fear for their own reputation but this is Trump. He’s had his reputation ripped to shreads for a decade. What’s he got to lose? This is the only person I’m aware of who’s ever willingly lost wealth to get into politics

Bwahahahahahahahaha. You are a sucker, a chump and a mark.

We all can’t be so righteous like you my friend. Some of us have to be big dummies who join Cults and support psychotic concepts like reducing government waste and fraud, even if it’s ugly.

Bottom line is Trump has nothing to lose. He’s not beholden to rich donors who influence his every move. Not saying there isn’t some influence but nowhere near the level of the last several presidents not named Trump.

I also didn’t say he hasn’t made the money back. Hard to actually tell.

Btw I’m not “maga” and I never will be. I understand we live in a “all or nothing” environment where if you don’t join up with one side you’re automatically labeled a member of the other side. I just like the wrecking ball approach. It’s not like it can’t be rebuilt if needed and all the fear mongering isn’t actually happening. Not at the levels some want you to believe.

If you want to continue this conversation. Go drop sold more personal insults in the politics section. Clown.

You are really bad at this, herb