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I just want to say one thing. If you guys knew what was was happening inside the gov right now, you would not give one shit about development in KC, the Chiefs or anything else like that. You would be rioting in the streets around a federal building or something.

For the love of god, please contact your congress members in MO and KS (gop, dem, does not matter) and say something. Trump is not even running the gov anymore. It's Elon Musk and heritage foundation. Trump is just signing whatever people hand him and congress is going with it. We have to get more of congress to stand up to this before its too late.

If we don't stop this, you will not even recognize America soon. Losing the Royals etc will be the least of our worries.
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Um, the problem is we knew this all well in advance and voted for it anyway, so I kinda feel like we're getting exactly what we earned fair and square. I don't like it, in fact I hate everything about it, but I can't be arsed to try to save these idiots from what they have wrought.
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mean wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:07 pm Um, the problem is we knew this all well in advance and voted for it anyway, so I kinda feel like we're getting exactly what we earned
Exactly. Idk why people are surprised.
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TheUrbanRoo wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:55 am
mean wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:07 pm Um, the problem is we knew this all well in advance and voted for it anyway, so I kinda feel like we're getting exactly what we earned
Exactly. Idk why people are surprised.
I would even go so far as to say, and if this comes off as harsh I apologize, but if you're surprised, you are the problem. This was telegraphed from 30,000 feet, written in 500 foot tall flaming letters visible from every angle 24 hours a day for years. If you scoffed and said, "psh, it can't happen here!" then maybe you should have put some Sinclair Lewis in your library. I am optimistic our institutions are robust enough to survive, but I might be wrong.

On the other hand, the people who voted for this are going to gleefully support it, until it takes away everything they forgot they needed. "Well yeah, I wanted to burn down the government to own the libs, but not muh Medicaid and Social Security! Whaddaya mean that's the government?" Yeah, well, suck it.
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mean wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:44 am
TheUrbanRoo wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:55 am
mean wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:07 pm Um, the problem is we knew this all well in advance and voted for it anyway, so I kinda feel like we're getting exactly what we earned
Exactly. Idk why people are surprised.
I would even go so far as to say, and if this comes off as harsh I apologize, but if you're surprised, you are the problem. This was telegraphed from 30,000 feet, written in 500 foot tall flaming letters visible from every angle 24 hours a day for years. If you scoffed and said, "psh, it can't happen here!" then maybe you should have put some Sinclair Lewis in your library. I am optimistic our institutions are robust enough to survive, but I might be wrong.

On the other hand, the people who voted for this are going to gleefully support it, until it takes away everything they forgot they needed. "Well yeah, I wanted to burn down the government to own the libs, but not muh Medicaid and Social Security! Whaddaya mean that's the government?" Yeah, well, suck it.
I didn't vote for this and when I predicted what the results would be, the response was that "Trump threatened a lot of stuff in his first term but never went through with anything". That was because he wanted to be elected again. This time, he no longer has that restraint and has surrounded himself with sycophants and opportunists (rather than people with at least a modicum of integrity) and the carnage is every bit as predictable as I thought it would be.

I disagree that everyone who voted for him are gleeful. The Trump many remember from the first term as having a lot of bark with little bite and somewhat innocuous is not the president today and many cast their vote for him not out of agreement with his stated policies but because the democrats put up a particularly weak candidate (albeit one that made Trump look like a fool in the debate). I am not sure if the election was held today that Trump would win.

Some clearly are gleeful. This president has a cabinet and advisors working for him that don't have your best interest in mind and frankly don't care what we think. They know they have two years to dismantle government and turn what they can over to private interests. Hopefully the democrats can get their act together and retake Congress to act as a buffer but the damage will have been done.
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Highlander wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:16 am I disagree that everyone who voted for him are gleeful. The Trump many remember from the first term as having a lot of bark with little bite and somewhat innocuous is not the president today and many cast their vote for him not out of agreement with his stated policies but because the democrats put up a particularly weak candidate (albeit one that made Trump look like a fool in the debate). I am not sure if the election was held today that Trump would win.

Some clearly are gleeful. This president has a cabinet and advisors working for him that don't have your best interest in mind and frankly don't care what we think. They know they have two years to dismantle government and turn what they can over to private interests. Hopefully the democrats can get their act together and retake Congress to act as a buffer but the damage will have been done.
Maybe not gleeful anymore, now that he's doing what he said he'd do and what they were repeatedly warned about and refused to believe. And part of me feels awful for them and bad that I don't care more, because ultimately they are victims of a terrible con, and I don't relish telling a victim that it's their fault, but it's hard to muster a lot of sympathy.
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You think I was surprised?? I have been trying to tell people for years and up to the election day that this would happen. 80% of the people I know back in MO/KS wanted this and I lost a lot of friends from my time in KC due to politics but it really ramped up this year because I knew what was coming if Trump were to win. Since moving to the east coast, I have been treated differently because nearly everybody I know out here is also against this maga/project 2025/elon musk movement. Politics is the main reason I did not even go back to Missouri but one time this year. I honestly did not want to be around the hate wrapped in fake Christianity.

Now we will all suffer, but it will get much worse if people that don't agree with this throw in the towel. They want us to give up and let them have the country.
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GRID wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:10 pm I just want to say one thing. If you guys knew what was was happening inside the gov right now, you would not give one shit about development in KC, the Chiefs or anything else like that. You would be rioting in the streets around a federal building or something.

For the love of god, please contact your congress members in MO and KS (gop, dem, does not matter) and say something. Trump is not even running the gov anymore. It's Elon Musk and heritage foundation. Trump is just signing whatever people hand him and congress is going with it. We have to get more of congress to stand up to this before its too late.

If we don't stop this, you will not even recognize America soon. Losing the Royals etc will be the least of our worries.
To be fair, that's exactly what half the country wants. Minimize them as you wish, but it's millions of people who support each and every one of these acts. They didn't call this the "Revenge Tour" for no reason. What did everyone think would happen after the politicization, weaponization, and divisiveness of the last decade was allowed to occur?
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im2kull wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:14 pm
GRID wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:10 pm I just want to say one thing. If you guys knew what was was happening inside the gov right now, you would not give one shit about development in KC, the Chiefs or anything else like that. You would be rioting in the streets around a federal building or something.

For the love of god, please contact your congress members in MO and KS (gop, dem, does not matter) and say something. Trump is not even running the gov anymore. It's Elon Musk and heritage foundation. Trump is just signing whatever people hand him and congress is going with it. We have to get more of congress to stand up to this before its too late.

If we don't stop this, you will not even recognize America soon. Losing the Royals etc will be the least of our worries.
To be fair, that's exactly what half the country wants. Minimize them as you wish, but it's millions of people who support each and every one of these acts. They didn't call this the "Revenge Tour" for no reason. What did everyone think would happen after the politicization, weaponization, and divisiveness of the last decade was allowed to occur?
Half is a vast overestimate. Maybe 20-25%. The cult. But as I said, I know a lot of people that voted for Trump believing he'd never implement the more extreme parts of the republican agenda.
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Highlander wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:39 pm
im2kull wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:14 pm
GRID wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:10 pm I just want to say one thing. If you guys knew what was was happening inside the gov right now, you would not give one shit about development in KC, the Chiefs or anything else like that. You would be rioting in the streets around a federal building or something.

For the love of god, please contact your congress members in MO and KS (gop, dem, does not matter) and say something. Trump is not even running the gov anymore. It's Elon Musk and heritage foundation. Trump is just signing whatever people hand him and congress is going with it. We have to get more of congress to stand up to this before its too late.

If we don't stop this, you will not even recognize America soon. Losing the Royals etc will be the least of our worries.
To be fair, that's exactly what half the country wants. Minimize them as you wish, but it's millions of people who support each and every one of these acts. They didn't call this the "Revenge Tour" for no reason. What did everyone think would happen after the politicization, weaponization, and divisiveness of the last decade was allowed to occur?
Half is a vast overestimate. Maybe 20-25%. The cult. But as I said, I know a lot of people that voted for Trump believing he'd never implement the more extreme parts of the republican agenda.
Right. The base cult is only like 20-30% tops and there is no reasoning with them. They want and enjoy this. Trump won the last election in the suburbs. He gained a lot of moderates etc. His rhetoric worked. It might have been no tax on SS, or no tax on tips or his lying about the economy. We need those people to stand up and get the message to GOP members of congress that this is not okay.
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As long as Trump continues to maintain positive approval ratings, they’re not gonna stop.
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GRID wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:04 pm You think I was surprised??
Not at all, but the many, many people who voted for Trump and are now like, "oh but why did they deport Alberto, he makes the best tacos, he's just an honest guy!?" sure seem to be.
GRID wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:04 pm Now we will all suffer, but it will get much worse if people that don't agree with this throw in the towel. They want us to give up and let them have the country.
Goddamn it. I have to begrudgingly admit that you're right. BUT--what are you gonna do? Email congress people? Good luck. Have riots? Good luck. These people are emboldened, they give zero fucks, and they are going to do whatever they can to burn it all to the ground with no restraint, and nobody can or will stop them. You'll say, "But that's illegal!" They will say, "Fuck you, whatever I say is legal is de facto legal, and if you don't like it, sue me and we'll take it to the supreme court, where I plan to win--and even if they don't like what I'm doing and tell me I have to stop, they've already said I have immunity so eat shit."

I just don't think there's anything anybody can do, without a couple dozen thousand people and a lot of guns or all the money in the world for legal battles.
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Former royals GM Dayton Moore considering a run for KS governor in 2026.

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Trump is doing exactly what those who voted for him wanted him to do. Just like his last administration where his opponents constantly claimed he was going to ruin the world and this country, none of that appears to come true.

Over the weekend it was panic over tariffs and how it was going to hurt the American people as if we can handle high inflation under Biden but can’t under Trump. Monday his tactic works and Mexico and Canada step up and he gets what he intended by threatening tariffs. How evil, Trump demanded our neighbors protect their borders and help us keep drugs out of our country. Tragic development.

Frankly, if you didn’t vote for Trump who cares what you think. Sit back and enjoy the show. This is what happens with democratic elections and if you didn’t vote at all, take a look in the mirror if you are upset with Trumps administration. He’s doing exactly what he said he would do. Trump got the 2nd most total votes in our nations history, almost 10 million more than Obama but please tell me it’s just a cult that supports him. What you don’t understand is normal everyday Americans support him but you probably don’t know it. They’re still afraid to admit it because they’ll be labeled stupid, a Nazi or a cult member.
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DColeKC seems to think national politics are like a game show. So not a surprise that he likes Trump, who is pure game show. Meanwhile, the rest of us who realize that Trump is clueless when it comes to negotiations - Canada and Mexico simply agreed to do things they already had agreed to do months or years ago during the Biden administration. And Trump spins that as a win. So basically he damaged (and will continue to damage) important relationships with neighboring allies simply to feed his ego. How do you not recognize this as a bad thing over the long-term?

What happened to business leaders correctly recognizing uncertainty as a bad thing? You really think this chaos and incompetence is going make it easier to make investment decisions (like development plans) going forward? When no one knows if self-defeating tariffs are going to be placed on important commodity inputs at Trump's whim?

You think migration and fentanyl coming from Canada is such a pressing issue as to cause the chaos that erupted over the weekend?

Is there literally anything this administration can do that you wouldn't justify? If the answer is "no" perhaps you need to re-look at the definition of cult.
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DColeKC wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:28 am Trump is doing exactly what those who voted for him wanted him to do. Just like his last administration where his opponents constantly claimed he was going to ruin the world and this country, none of that appears to come true.

Trump got the 2nd most total votes in our nations history, almost 10 million more than Obama but please tell me it’s just a cult that supports him. What you don’t understand is normal everyday Americans support him but you probably don’t know it. They’re still afraid to admit it because they’ll be labeled stupid, a Nazi or a cult member.
You seem to equate the act of voting for someone with unequivocal support. That's absolutely not the case and I suspect you know that. I didn't support a lot of what Biden did nor did I support much of Harris's agenda (and I let Biden know several times via email) but I would have voted for either of them over Trump. We will see how Trump's approval rating evolves, he didn't fair well in his first poll with a less than 50% approval rating.

Trump has the second most votes in American history. Harris has the third. That happens in a nation with a growing population, subsequent elections generally supersede the previous election in total votes. Trump had just over 1% more votes than Harris. Quite an accomplishment after a four year concerted effort at the state level to suppress voting even with a weak democratic candidate.

I won't be enjoying the show. Trump hasn't done much of anything much to help American citizens since he has stepped into office despite flurry of activity. The Conservative WSJ has dubbed his tariff actions as the "Dumbest trade war ever". Probably the greatest impact he's had thus far is to erase a small (but likely to increase) part of most people's 401K's and retirements plan with the chaos and uncertainty he's introduced to the market. And lets not forget the executive order prohibiting Medicare from negotiating for certain drugs to lower the price - probably the other most impactful thing he's done.
CrossroadsUrbanApts wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:50 am DColeKC seems to think national politics are like a game show.


Great post but this caught my eye. I think that is EXACTLY how Trump see politics. He commonly backs down when he sees how unpopular an action is (like the Canada/Mexico idiocy) and then tries to gaslight the nation as to how much he accomplished with his negotiations. He actually thinks he knows how to negotiate on an international scale.
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Looks like the Democrats are trying to lose in 2 years

DNC Stops Their Elections Because There Hasn’t Been a ‘Non-Binary’ Person Elected
‘We have to let one male, one female and one person of any gender’

https://news.grabien.com/story/dnc-stop ... nary-perso
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^I highly doubt the Democrats lose the Midterms.

History says the opposition picks up seats in the House during the Midterms and often retakes the majority. Republicans have the smallest majority in decades, so you can expect the House to flip Democratic. For the Senate, that’ll likely stay in the hands of Republicans.

There’s a reason Trump and Republicans are moving at, what appears to be, a rapid speed: they only really have 15 months to get anything done as Midterm election season really heats up in April of 2026. Around that time, the focus by politicians will shift away from DC back to winning their next election. If the Democrats do end up retaking the house, Trump will become a lame duck President for the remaining 2 years. Thus the rush that’s causing headaches for some and joy for others.
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brewcrew1000 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:35 pm Looks like the Democrats are trying to lose in 2 years

DNC Stops Their Elections Because There Hasn’t Been a ‘Non-Binary’ Person Elected
‘We have to let one male, one female and one person of any gender’

https://news.grabien.com/story/dnc-stop ... nary-perso
If you can't recognize BS clickbait, no one will ever be able to help you.
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grovester wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:43 pm
brewcrew1000 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:35 pm Looks like the Democrats are trying to lose in 2 years

DNC Stops Their Elections Because There Hasn’t Been a ‘Non-Binary’ Person Elected
‘We have to let one male, one female and one person of any gender’

https://news.grabien.com/story/dnc-stop ... nary-perso
If you can't recognize BS clickbait, no one will ever be able to help you.
That did happen though, not sure how it's click bait. I mean they finally held election

Here is another source
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ng/681548/
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