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langosta wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:29 pm
UMKCroo wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:00 pm https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1851718948620046454

"As WNBA expansion continues, ownership of the NWSL's KC Current — which includes Patrick Mahomes and his wife, Brittany — has met with the WNBA and is in contention to bring the league's next franchise to Kansas City. Mahomes also co-owns the KC Royals and Sporting KC."
Heard a new arena in the cards long term. Based on the source I’d give it a 50-50 chance if being real and more of a right sized approach and not a T Mobile competitor
yeah, well that will end up in some KS star bond project 25 miles from the city. They should do a major overhaul of Muni before building another arena.
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langosta wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:29 pm
UMKCroo wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:00 pm https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1851718948620046454

"As WNBA expansion continues, ownership of the NWSL's KC Current — which includes Patrick Mahomes and his wife, Brittany — has met with the WNBA and is in contention to bring the league's next franchise to Kansas City. Mahomes also co-owns the KC Royals and Sporting KC."
Heard a new arena in the cards long term. Based on the source I’d give it a 50-50 chance if being real and more of a right sized approach and not a T Mobile competitor


I'm 100% against tax money or incentives going towards another new arena when our city already has 3 arenas that are empty most nights. Spruce up municipal to add luxury seating, video boards, etc while preserving is amazing architecture or play at T-Mobile. The T-Mobile center isn't that busy that 20 home dates would effect anything.
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If this is about building a new arena outside of the downtown core, then forget it. Go somewhere else. I can’t believe in the year 2024 someone would put a basketball team in the Kansas suburbs. This isn’t 2004 anymore.
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I again have no idea how valid that new arena rumor is. For all I know, it could be partnering with UMKc to get their on campus arena finished. I give the chances of renovating Municipal Aud. A near 0%.
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langosta wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:39 pm I again have no idea how valid that new arena rumor is. For all I know, it could be partnering with UMKc to get their on campus arena finished. I give the chances of renovating Municipal Aud. A near 0%.
Pretty sure the UMKC arena would be way too small even for WNBA.

Yeah, I don't see them playing at Muni. Just play at T-Mobile. KC does not need another arena, especially if it ends up out by the speedway or in Olathe or Overland Park.

If Capital One Arena in DC can host the WNBA, NBA, NHL, NCAA Georgetown and concerts, why in the world can't T-Mobile in KC?
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Okay, so I just looked up the schedule for the Washington Mystics and I had no idea they moved to a much smaller arena. I feel like they still play some bigger games at Cap One though. Tells you how much I follow WNBA.

However their arena only seats 4200, so maybe a UMKC arena is actually a viable option. Wouldn't that be something. Two Mahomes owned women's pro teams on both ends of the streetcar line.

Either way, KC needs to be shooting for NBA. I think women's soccer has a better chance at long term success than WNBA which only still functions because it's heavily subsidized by the NBA.
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GRID wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:16 pm Okay, so I just looked up the schedule for the Washington Mystics and I had no idea they moved to a much smaller arena. I feel like they still play some bigger games at Cap One though. Tells you how much I follow WNBA.

However their arena only seats 4200, so maybe a UMKC arena is actually a viable option. Wouldn't that be something. Two Mahomes owned women's pro teams on both ends of the streetcar line.

Either way, KC needs to be shooting for NBA. I think women's soccer has a better chance at long term success than WNBA which only still functions because it's heavily subsidized by the NBA.
Partnering with UMKC is an interesting idea. If they actually want to move up an MVC level conference they need a decent arena near campus and if they are pushing for a higher league, then maybe an 6-8k seat arena makes sense, which is still probably smaller than the 10k I think the WNBA would want but UMKC should probably be pursing something in the 4-5k seat max range. That's also around 14-15 home games for each their men's and women's' hoops teams, throw in UMKC volleyball and you have a few more dates in addition to the 20 WNBA dates so you are starting to fill some dates. Around that size would make sense for the Mavs also, if they can pull 6k crowds way out east, I'm sure they could pull similar if not bigger numbers at the plaza which is far closer to the population center of the metro, not that I want to see them leave a 15 year old arena either though but that's another 36 dates you could fill. But I still don't see how spending $100-$200 million on a new arena makes any sense. No way there is any return on investment unless it's a major concert venue and that will just come at the expense of pulling revenue away from other taxpayer supported facilities.


But seriously, the WNBA only has 20 home dates per team, which isn't much and clearly would barely make a dent in the T-Mobile centers ability to schedule other events. Just a quick look at the T-mobiles website, and between now and Jan 12th, there are only 12 dates booked in those 73 dates. Literally less than 20% of dates which is common. You can easily fit a WNBA schedule into the 80+% of dates that the T-Mobile center has open. The arena is open on far more dates than people want to admit.

They would need offices and practice court which could go anywhere. build it adjacent to the KC Current facility in riverside.
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dnweava wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:43 pm But I still don't see how spending $100-$200 million on a new arena makes any sense.
You are not going to love the answer to this one........
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langosta wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:45 pm
dnweava wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:43 pm But I still don't see how spending $100-$200 million on a new arena makes any sense.
You are not going to love the answer to this one........
In my opinion, building anything new for basketball of any kind is pointless. Use existing facilities since it’ll only be hot for a single season then die off. Better yet, use Municipal since that needs some events throughout the year.

I don’t see the appeal of it and neither will most people in the region after a season. At least with soccer, baseball, and football, they’re firmly rooted in the community. Basketball, you don’t see it much at all. Getting a team won’t change that either.
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Chris Stritzel wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:10 pm
langosta wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:45 pm
dnweava wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:43 pm But I still don't see how spending $100-$200 million on a new arena makes any sense.
You are not going to love the answer to this one........
In my opinion, building anything new for basketball of any kind is pointless. Use existing facilities since it’ll only be hot for a single season then die off. Better yet, use Municipal since that needs some events throughout the year.

I don’t see the appeal of it and neither will most people in the region after a season. At least with soccer, baseball, and football, they’re firmly rooted in the community. Basketball, you don’t see it much at all. Getting a team won’t change that either.
Then we can’t support a WNBA team at all
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Chris Stritzel wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:10 pm I don’t see the appeal of it and neither will most people in the region after a season.
Yes, but the big reason this could work out well for KC is that if they sell a ton of tickets and get good ratings it can prove the market for basketball and help in getting an NBA team. We need all the help we can get.
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I like the idea of renovating Municipal for this as it gives a new anchor on the west side of the loop. Is the auditorium big enough though?
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Riverite wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:03 am I like the idea of renovating Municipal for this as it gives a new anchor on the west side of the loop. Is the auditorium big enough though?
If a WNBA team is at Municipal, nobody will go and it will fail.

In my opinion, the KC Current are succeeding (and can reasonably sustain it) because they're adjacent to downtown and vast amount of density is being built up around it. It makes it easier for someone down there to say "hey, I'm bored, let's walk over or streetcar over to the Current game". That's gonna be their formula for sustaining some of this attendance in the long run.

That also *could* work for WNBA, but only if it's strictly in the urban core where, again, people can just hop over to it easily like the Current games. If it's anywhere else, it's doomed. For something like that to work it's gotta be put in front of many eyes, not shoved off to the side.
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TheUrbanRoo wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:01 am
Riverite wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:03 am I like the idea of renovating Municipal for this as it gives a new anchor on the west side of the loop. Is the auditorium big enough though?
If a WNBA team is at Municipal, nobody will go and it will fail.

In my opinion, the KC Current are succeeding (and can reasonably sustain it) because they're adjacent to downtown and vast amount of density is being built up around it. It makes it easier for someone down there to say "hey, I'm bored, let's walk over or streetcar over to the Current game". That's gonna be their formula for sustaining some of this attendance in the long run.

That also *could* work for WNBA, but only if it's strictly in the urban core where, again, people can just hop over to it easily like the Current games. If it's anywhere else, it's doomed. For something like that to work it's gotta be put in front of many eyes, not shoved off to the side.
Why would it fail at Municipal? That’s as Downtown as it gets.
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"Spruce up municipal to add luxury seating, video boards, etc while preserving is amazing architecture"

The cost of doing that would likely be more expensive than building a new arena. It's not just the seating area but the dressing rooms for the teams, concession areas, and other items that a modern arena would have.
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Does it give the city a better convention asset as well?

Probably a pipe dream, but I want to see muni last another 100 years
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aknowledgeableperson wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:56 am "Spruce up municipal to add luxury seating, video boards, etc while preserving is amazing architecture"

The cost of doing that would likely be more expensive than building a new arena. It's not just the seating area but the dressing rooms for the teams, concession areas, and other items that a modern arena would have.
I question if it’s even possible to do given the solid concrete structure. Not that Muni doesn’t work for what it is today.
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Cratedigger wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:17 am Does it give the city a better convention asset as well?

Probably a pipe dream, but I want to see muni last another 100 years
Chicago’s WNBA arena is a convention asset but they didn’t have a convention center arena (ie T Mobile Center) close to the convention center.
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dnweava wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:43 pm
GRID wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:16 pm Okay, so I just looked up the schedule for the Washington Mystics and I had no idea they moved to a much smaller arena. I feel like they still play some bigger games at Cap One though. Tells you how much I follow WNBA.

However their arena only seats 4200, so maybe a UMKC arena is actually a viable option. Wouldn't that be something. Two Mahomes owned women's pro teams on both ends of the streetcar line.

Either way, KC needs to be shooting for NBA. I think women's soccer has a better chance at long term success than WNBA which only still functions because it's heavily subsidized by the NBA.
Partnering with UMKC is an interesting idea. If they actually want to move up an MVC level conference they need a decent arena near campus and if they are pushing for a higher league, then maybe an 6-8k seat arena makes sense, which is still probably smaller than the 10k I think the WNBA would want but UMKC should probably be pursing something in the 4-5k seat max range. That's also around 14-15 home games for each their men's and women's' hoops teams, throw in UMKC volleyball and you have a few more dates in addition to the 20 WNBA dates so you are starting to fill some dates. Around that size would make sense for the Mavs also, if they can pull 6k crowds way out east, I'm sure they could pull similar if not bigger numbers at the plaza which is far closer to the population center of the metro, not that I want to see them leave a 15 year old arena either though but that's another 36 dates you could fill. But I still don't see how spending $100-$200 million on a new arena makes any sense. No way there is any return on investment unless it's a major concert venue and that will just come at the expense of pulling revenue away from other taxpayer supported facilities.


But seriously, the WNBA only has 20 home dates per team, which isn't much and clearly would barely make a dent in the T-Mobile centers ability to schedule other events. Just a quick look at the T-mobiles website, and between now and Jan 12th, there are only 12 dates booked in those 73 dates. Literally less than 20% of dates which is common. You can easily fit a WNBA schedule into the 80+% of dates that the T-Mobile center has open. The arena is open on far more dates than people want to admit.

They would need offices and practice court which could go anywhere. build it adjacent to the KC Current facility in riverside.
UMKC wants their arena to also serve as a practice facility and be able to host other events and concerts. Certainly a competitor to Cable Dahlmer Arena but also likely front running a similar facility in JoCo or WyCo which are certainly in the works. The region has grown since Cable Dahlmer Arena and there is likely demand for another facility out there
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TheUrbanRoo wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:21 pm If this is about building a new arena outside of the downtown core, then forget it. Go somewhere else. I can’t believe in the year 2024 someone would put a basketball team in the Kansas suburbs. This isn’t 2004 anymore.
The team would play at T-Mobile
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