DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:41 am
I don’t think todays average downtown dweller or person in general eats a legitimate breakfast. It’s grab and go or nothing at all.
Like a donut?
I could be crazy or biased, but I think the downtown resident in and around P&L is more health conscious to be slamming donuts on the regular. If they do, I think they'd just grab a 6'er from the store opposed to hitting up the donut shop daily. Once again, maybe they've got healthy donut options these days that I'm not aware of. I personally stay far away because I'll want 3 of them.
30% of Americans skip breakfast, so it's already the least popular meal of the day.
DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:41 am
I don’t think todays average downtown dweller or person in general eats a legitimate breakfast. It’s grab and go or nothing at all.
Like a donut?
I could be crazy or biased, but I think the downtown resident in and around P&L is more health conscious to be slamming donuts on the regular. If they do, I think they'd just grab a 6'er from the store opposed to hitting up the donut shop daily. Once again, maybe they've got healthy donut options these days that I'm not aware of. I personally stay far away because I'll want 3 of them.
30% of Americans skip breakfast, so it's already the least popular meal of the day.
There’s still office tenants to consider, and being able to walk to snag a dozen donuts before you head into the office is not an insignificant factor.
Again too, while there isn’t a massive demand for sitdown breakfast during weekdays, the brunch demand in the neighborhood on weekends is insane. Breakfast doesn’t have to be exclusively breakfast to succeed in the area, but having more options wouldn’t hurt either.
I could be crazy or biased, but I think the downtown resident in and around P&L is more health conscious to be slamming donuts on the regular. If they do, I think they'd just grab a 6'er from the store opposed to hitting up the donut shop daily. Once again, maybe they've got healthy donut options these days that I'm not aware of. I personally stay far away because I'll want 3 of them.
30% of Americans skip breakfast, so it's already the least popular meal of the day.
There’s still office tenants to consider, and being able to walk to snag a dozen donuts before you head into the office is not an insignificant factor.
Again too, while there isn’t a massive demand for sitdown breakfast during weekdays, the brunch demand in the neighborhood on weekends is insane. Breakfast doesn’t have to be exclusively breakfast to succeed in the area, but having more options wouldn’t hurt either.
I think they do better for brunch compared to traditional breakfast hours. Many of the bars have tried brunch and can’t keep traction. A few, like Bristol kill it.
The office factor isn’t nothing but it’s not as impactful as anyone could hope. I’d say your faster spots like chipotle benefit most for the office lunch crowds. Too many lunch options during the week for the low demand.
As a brunch expert only bristol has ever been above horrible for brunch in pnl. Homegrown will do fine for that. It's the midweek breakfast that will be slower but that's pretty normal for all their locations id bet
Did anyone consider the possibility that the reason Fran's did poorly was that it was terrible? I was excited for it, and when I went it was a Greek tragedy of bad service, awful food, and shattered expectations--which weren't that high in the first place (I like to think I'm realistic at least). I was just glad to have a nearby late-night spot to drunkenly gorge on mediocre poutine. But damn was it bad. I'm not sure how drunk I would've had to have been for it to be good.
I mean, there's certainly a chicken-and-egg argument to be made, and maybe it was great when it opened and declined rapidly due to a lack of revenue, I have no idea. I'm not sure how long into their short tenure I managed to stop by for my poutine fix. I just know it was bad.
mean wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:06 pm
Did anyone consider the possibility that the reason Fran's did poorly was that it was terrible? I was excited for it, and when I went it was a Greek tragedy of bad service, awful food, and shattered expectations--which weren't that high in the first place (I like to think I'm realistic at least). I was just glad to have a nearby late-night spot to drunkenly gorge on mediocre poutine. But damn was it bad. I'm not sure how drunk I would've had to have been for it to be good.
I mean, there's certainly a chicken-and-egg argument to be made, and maybe it was great when it opened and declined rapidly due to a lack of revenue, I have no idea. I'm not sure how long into their short tenure I managed to stop by for my poutine fix. I just know it was bad.
I don't remember much about the quality of the food but at that point in my life, a late night place to get one (5) more draft beers and some high calorie, belt busting food was what I wanted and it was great. The service was fine at first but honestly, no one wanted to work the late shifts because who wants to deal with drunk assholes like you at 3am!
Honestly though, it didn't survive because of the late night issues, incessant employee stealing and lack of downtown residents propping it up during the week. It did it's best revenue late-night but that's where all the issues were. I don't think I ever ate there sober to be honest. I didn't know that was even an option.
I just hope four light it as least 35 floors. I know it's mostly just for aesthetics and it really doesn't matter, but it sure would look a lot better.
Especially if it's on another huge parking pedestal.
DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:41 am
I don’t think todays average downtown dweller or person in general eats a legitimate breakfast. It’s grab and go or nothing at all.
Like a donut?
I could be crazy or biased, but I think the downtown resident in and around P&L is more health conscious to be slamming donuts on the regular. If they do, I think they'd just grab a 6'er from the store opposed to hitting up the donut shop daily. Once again, maybe they've got healthy donut options these days that I'm not aware of. I personally stay far away because I'll want 3 of them.
30% of Americans skip breakfast, so it's already the least popular meal of the day.
Breakfast out has undergone a fairly recent resurgence though and there have been a considerable number of breakfast/lunch only places emerging in the past few years. That's starting to slowdown due to the same inflationary pressures that are hitting the fast food industry: paying an inordinate amount for a meal that was relatively inexpensive just a few years ago. We eat breakfast out very infrequently now relative to pre covid. Breakfast for my wife and I with coffee is now pushing $40 at a more upscale place like Homegrown. As popular as that place has been, I would not be surprised to see their business drop off across the metro with the increase in competition and fewer people going out to breakfast due to price.
I'd like the idea of a small scale Krispy Kreme in downtown, or a small Lamar's would do well.
Surprised there is not a Dunkin Donuts somewhere downtown. Their donuts are very middle of the road but people love the coffee and coffee drinks. I'd say it is the next tier down from Starbucks in terms of overall customer loyalty/usage.
Dunkin would be great and they have to-go only locations now. A dozen glazed at Lamar's now costs $34.99...I'd rather spend that at a Homegrown or even Panera.
dukuboy1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:19 am
I'd like the idea of a small scale Krispy Kreme in downtown, or a small Lamar's would do well.
Surprised there is not a Dunkin Donuts somewhere downtown. Their donuts are very middle of the road but people love the coffee and coffee drinks. I'd say it is the next tier down from Starbucks in terms of overall customer loyalty/usage.
dukuboy1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:19 am
I'd like the idea of a small scale Krispy Kreme in downtown, or a small Lamar's would do well.
Surprised there is not a Dunkin Donuts somewhere downtown. Their donuts are very middle of the road but people love the coffee and coffee drinks. I'd say it is the next tier down from Starbucks in terms of overall customer loyalty/usage.
Tim Hortons.
Thought about that but still surprised no Dunkin’s downtown somewhere. Plus Tim Hortons will be neat but no real brand recognition around here
