OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

[w00lyb00ger]

Parking isn’t “petty sh**”. It is literally the urban form that has done the most direct and catastrophic damage to this city

It absolutely is. Grow up and get over it.

Nah, I don’t think an Urbanist Forum is going to be receptive to the idea of “get over it” for the most egregious land use possible.

Hate to break the bad news to you Johnny Come Lately but this isn’t an “urbanist forum”. If you were actually here like 20 years or so ago when it began maybe you would know that but I suspect you were preoccupied with Spongebob at the time. It was started to share and discuss development news across both the urban and suburban parts of the KC metro not to be a haven for thin skinned, pretentious elitists who think their world vision is the be all end all. And the fact of the matter is that however upset it might make you that not everyone shares your exact same views on the content discussed here you WILL need to dig down deep, find your inner adult, and get over it because most of us here give zero f***s about what you’re “receptive” to.

[Chris Stritzel]

To answer a previous question, I arrived on this forum after seeing it mentioned several times on UrbanSTL. I appreciate the spirited discussions that take place on here.

As for Zona Rosa, I haven’t gone shopping there since last spring, so I wasn’t aware of the parking garage being closed. Granted I always parked on the streets within the project instead of in a lot or garage. I think Zona Rosa has the opportunity of being a larger town center for the Northland, something the Metro North redevelopment failed to achieve. There’s room to grow and that’ll require rethinking the development. That means needing to give up surface parking for garages. More residents would do this project good in the long term. Make it a mini-downtown for this part of KC.

[Anthony_Hugo98]

It absolutely is. Grow up and get over it.

Nah, I don’t think an Urbanist Forum is going to be receptive to the idea of “get over it” for the most egregious land use possible.

but I suspect you were preoccupied with Spongebob at the time.

lol sorry that I was *checks notes* not born earlier?

I’m also sorry that you can’t realize that there’s some animosity to this horrendous and rather pervasive land use that is surface parking by the generations that have come after you. It’s almost as if we’ve grown up in an environment that was painted with terrible land use that kept us isolated and closed off from society until we attained the ability to drive. We’ve seen pretty considerable negatives to this, with little, if any upside.

It’s hardly “thin skinned” to call out support for something as destructive as surface parking as a regressive and archaic mentality that is actively holding back our region. It’s just an objectively accurate observation, and people supporting the status quo of it are not doing our region, and its numerous municipalities any favors in regard to financial solvency, stewardship of tax payer dollars, and economic stimulation.

Im also pretty sure the one insinuating that any commentary critical of parking as a land use somehow means the individual is “arguing about petty shit” is probably the person who drove people off this forum, not the ones calling out the land use of parking.

That’s just my observation though, so who knows

[mistervinix]

Seems like a lot of empty storefronts still exist here. The old comedy club/movie theater building even has some boarded up doors and/or windows. Not a good look.

[GRID]

Why would they not just clobber the entire Zona Rosa area with high density residential? Build on the surface lots and empty lots that surround it.

Despite its landlocked location and being surrounded by low density sprawl, that place has so much potential and could be so much more than what it is. It really could be a nice destination suburban development.

[missingkc]

I know it's suburban (and that draws ire on this site), but the few times I've been there (I don't live in KC), I've found it a pleasant space. Nicer than most of it's counterparts in Charlotte.

[FangKC]

The logical solution is to build 7-to-10-story apartment buildings on parking lots.

[Cratedigger]

https://t.co/NZ7GNGy7U1

Glad to see the Annie Austen concept continuing to grow. Sounds like employee count has risen from 4 to 12 at her original storefront and she's opening a second concept:

Gifted by Annie Austen. The 1,090-square-foot store at 7105 NW 86th St. in Zona Rosa will feature affordable party supplies, gifts, pet accessories, a customizable stationery bar and an on-demand pressing station for printing designs on totes, T-shirts and more. It’s slated to open in early July or August.

[dukuboy1]

Hope it can be a Nickle & Suede 2.0. Seems to be trying to replicate that success.

[KCFan]

Definitely agree they should have created more density with apartments and I would have liked to see a nice hotel with event space there as well. Zona Rosa was always going to be challenged without having more destination dining and shopping. The large majority of population up north is in Clay County and when so many places like Dick’s, Michael’s, 54th St, BWWs are all duplicated in the Liberty area, Zona Rosa was setup to fail. The new owner must really be struggling to get anyone to sign on because it just doesn’t seem like much has changed over there.

[w00lyb00ger]

Nah, I don’t think an Urbanist Forum is going to be receptive to the idea of “get over it” for the most egregious land use possible.

but I suspect you were preoccupied with Spongebob at the time.

lol sorry that I was *checks notes* not born earlier?

I’m also sorry that you can’t realize that there’s some animosity to this horrendous and rather pervasive land use that is surface parking by the generations that have come after you. It’s almost as if we’ve grown up in an environment that was painted with terrible land use that kept us isolated and closed off from society until we attained the ability to drive. We’ve seen pretty considerable negatives to this, with little, if any upside.

It’s hardly “thin skinned” to call out support for something as destructive as surface parking as a regressive and archaic mentality that is actively holding back our region. It’s just an objectively accurate observation, and people supporting the status quo of it are not doing our region, and its numerous municipalities any favors in regard to financial solvency, stewardship of tax payer dollars, and economic stimulation.

Im also pretty sure the one insinuating that any commentary critical of parking as a land use somehow means the individual is “arguing about petty shit” is probably the person who drove people off this forum, not the ones calling out the land use of parking.

That’s just my observation though, so who knows

“ lol sorry that I was *checks notes* not born earlier? ”

While you were checking notes did you notice the part where you weren’t anywhere around and therefore couldn’t possibly have any idea what you’re talking about? Lol!

“ I’m also sorry that you can’t realize that there’s some animosity to this horrendous and rather pervasive land use that is surface parking by the generations that have come after you. It’s almost as if we’ve grown up in an environment that was painted with terrible land use that kept us isolated and closed off from society until we attained the ability to drive. We’ve seen pretty considerable negatives to this, with little, if any upside.”

I’d say the only people that would let their opinions on things like parking get to the point of feeling “animosity” towards another person are juvenile sociopaths with bad people skills. As inconceivable as it may sound to you it’s possible to have differences in opinion without getting angry and behaving like a pompous d***.

“ It’s hardly “thin skinned” to call out support for something as destructive as surface parking as a regressive and archaic mentality that is actively holding back our region. It’s just an objectively accurate observation, and people supporting the status quo of it are not doing our region, and its numerous municipalities any favors in regard to financial solvency, stewardship of tax payer dollars, and economic stimulation.”

Actually, it is. These are nothing more than your opinions. It’s a big world where others have theirs as well and they’re not always gonna match yours. That’s not an excuse for attacking them or going on a tirade. Normal adults with a fully developed prefrontal cortex are capable of understanding this and do not behave in this manner.

Honest question here. How many people’s opinions do you think you’re gonna sway by trying bully them into silence? In my half century plus of experience of seeing outbursts like yours the most common reaction is that generally people will just filter you out or become even more entrenched. But by all means keep trying to communicate with people like that I’m sure things will be different this time and you’ll change the world. Lol

“ Im also pretty sure the one insinuating that any commentary critical of parking as a land use somehow means the individual is “arguing about petty shit” is probably the person who drove people off this forum, not the ones calling out the land use of parking.”

Hahahaha!!! Here we go again… I’m seeing a pattern beginning to develop here. You’re “pretty sure”. Yet another thing you weren’t around for but are posing as an authority on and have convinced yourself, without any evidence, that you have some type of insight on the matter. I suppose it’s probably just your defense mechanism of choice when you don’t have an intellectually sound rebuttal. Lol.

[phuqueue]

Although I was "there," for whatever it's worth, w00lyb00ger, I have to admit that I don't really remember you, but looking at posts like the above, I must say that if you feel that you were "run off" the board in the past, it was probably not because of your affection for parking lots

[w00lyb00ger]

Although I was "there," for whatever it's worth, w00lyb00ger, I have to admit that I don't really remember you, but looking at posts like the above, I must say that if you feel that you were "run off" the board in the past, it was probably not because of your affection for parking lots

I don’t remember you either so what’s your point? You can see the date this account was started and know that I obviously was. This is actually the second account I had. First was when the board was brand new but I forgot the password and had to create a new one.

I never said I was ran off. You need to brush up on your literacy. I’m not the passive type. I’ll bludgeon your relentlessly if you’re rude to me rather than run away. I said a lot of other people were. And yes, I am sure a lot of them just got tired of the sociopathic behavior from goofballs having a meltdown down over trivial crap.

[phuqueue]

Goofballs having a meltdown over trivial crap, you say? I'm not accusing you of not having "been there," I don't particularly care about gatekeepery shit like that, I'm accusing you of an impressive lack of self-awareness -- even by internet message board standards. Nobody was rude to you. You came out of nowhere to start attacking people who love parking lots less than you do. Take a break.

[w00lyb00ger]

Goofballs having a meltdown over trivial crap, you say? I'm not accusing you of not having "been there," I don't particularly care about gatekeepery shit like that, I'm accusing you of an impressive lack of self-awareness -- even by internet message board standards. Nobody was rude to you. You came out of nowhere to start attacking people who love parking lots less than you do. Take a break.

I never said anything about you accusing me. You brought it up by saying you didn’t remember me so apparently you do care about it. When I mentioned it the reason had absolutely nothing to do with “gatekeepery” as any reasonably intelligent person could surmise. I brought it up to point out the fact that this individual couldn’t possibly know what they were talking about because they weren’t around.

The irony of you stating I have a lack of self-awareness while simultaneously behaving in a similar manner to what I was talking about is priceless! Lol! Maybe before making such a statement you should cease and desist on your “gatekeepery” over what opinions people are allowed to have in regard to parking.

I came out of nowhere and started attacking people? Tell me you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about without telling me you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. It actually started with my response to one of your fellow pearl clutching parking nazis bullying another member that had the nerve to have an opinion different from their own (gasp). So, it wasn’t “out of nowhere”. Perhaps rather than blindly jumping in the middle of something without having a clue about what’s actually happening you should make sure you’re up to speed so you don’t make a fool out of yourself. In the meantime, you should probably follow your own advice. Take a break.

[w00lyb00ger]

Goofballs having a meltdown over trivial crap, you say? I'm not accusing you of not having "been there," I don't particularly care about gatekeepery shit like that, I'm accusing you of an impressive lack of self-awareness -- even by internet message board standards. Nobody was rude to you. You came out of nowhere to start attacking people who love parking lots less than you do. Take a break.

I never said anything about you accusing me. You brought it up by saying you didn’t remember me so apparently you do care about it. When I mentioned it the reason had absolutely nothing to do with “gatekeepery” as any reasonably intelligent person could surmise. I brought it up to point out the fact that this individual couldn’tj possibly know what they were talking about because they weren’t around.

The irony of you stating I have a lack of self-awareness while simultaneously behaving in a similar manner to what I was talking about is priceless! Lol! Maybe before making such a statement you should cease and desist on your “gatekeepery” over what opinions people are allowed to have in regard to parking. Or is asking you to conduct yourself like a civilized adult too much to ask?

I came out of nowhere and started attacking people? Tell me you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about without telling me you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. It actually started with my response to one of your fellow pearl clutching parking nazis bullying another member that had the nerve to have an opinion different from their own (gasp). So, it wasn’t “out of nowhere”. Perhaps rather than blindly jumping in the middle of something without having a clue about what’s actually happening you should make sure you’re up to speed so you don’t make a fool out of yourself. In the meantime, you should probably follow your own advice. Take a break.

[phuqueue]

Ah yes, a post so much not reflecting a "meltdown over trivial crap" that you had to quote it yourself for posterity so that we sociopaths can see how a civilized adult behaves, much appreciated

[w00lyb00ger]

Ah yes, a post so much not reflecting a "meltdown over trivial crap" that you had to quote it yourself for posterity so that we sociopaths can see how a civilized adult behaves, much appreciated

That was actually an accident but do whatever it takes to try and compensate for the fact that you can’t formulate an intelligent rebuttal even if your response makes absolutely no sense. I guess that’s to be expected from an individual so primitive that they believe that flying off the handle at someone over their opinion on parking spaces is rational behavior.

[phuqueue]

You haven't actually made any points to rebut, your posts are just angry screeds full of personal attacks. I guess I could rebut the personal attacks? But I don't really care about them, so it's not worth my time. If you want to try to mount a cogent defense of parking lots for me or somebody else to attempt to rebut, feel free to do so. Otherwise, please pop a xanax and cool off.

[w00lyb00ger]

You haven't actually made any points to rebut, your posts are just angry screeds full of personal attacks. I guess I could rebut the personal attacks? But I don't really care about them, so it's not worth my time. If you want to try to mount a cogent defense of parking lots for me or somebody else to attempt to rebut, feel free to do so. Otherwise, please pop a xanax and cool off.

Hahaha!!! I’ve made several of them. You simply can’t defend the indefensible. Hence the reason you grasp at straws resorting to misdirection with retorts that do absolutely nothing to validate your opinions about completely irrelevant crap like me quoting something. You’re all over the place tap dancing around and continually trying to circumvent the actual point of discussion. This had absolutely nothing to do with the merits of your opinion or anyone else’s on parking. It had to do with sociopathic behavior like becoming enraged to the point of attacking others on this board simply because they don’t share the same views as you over petty issues like parking. If you can’t interact with others in a civil and adult-like manner over such like a normal human being you should consider following the advice you so freely dish out by seeking help from a mental health professional that can give you a prescription to help you deal with your rage issues. Otherwise, maybe you and your neurotic friends need to just delete your accounts and walk away until you can master basic life skills like how to play well with others.