Capping the Loop

[Anthony_Hugo98]

Both those assets would be on the sections that wouldn’t be built until a second phase. No reason to assume they won’t come to fruition yet.

[langosta]

Both those assets would be on the sections that wouldn’t be built until a second phase. No reason to assume they won’t come to fruition yet.

Yes, please wait for news before jumping to conclusion.

[GRID]

The article says that the reason they would do it in phases is so they can build out the amenities. Otherwise they would just build the deck and add the extras later. So I think you will get a full build if phased. Building the deck only would be a disaster IMO. You want the deck to open day one as a destination.

It's a bummer KC didn't get that big 75 million dollar fed grant. It's a perfect use for it.

[TheUrbanRoo]

Is there anything that said that said that’s the case or are you making thing up again

Sorry asshole, it's straight from the news coverage:

That could mean no planned food hall or performance pavilion pictured in preliminary renderings in a two block area east of Main Street right away. Mayor Lucas thinks the smaller parks will still wow visitors and investors as they seek an additional $50 million privately and $75 million in federal funding according to documents presented to Kansas City’s Finance, Governance and Public Safety Committee Tuesday.

https://fox4kc.com/news/south-loop-park ... o-funding/

[langosta]

Is there anything that said that said that’s the case or are you making thing up again

Sorry asshole, it's straight from the news coverage:

That could mean no planned food hall or performance pavilion pictured in preliminary renderings in a two block area east of Main Street right away. Mayor Lucas thinks the smaller parks will still wow visitors and investors as they seek an additional $50 million privately and $75 million in federal funding according to documents presented to Kansas City’s Finance, Governance and Public Safety Committee Tuesday.

https://fox4kc.com/news/south-loop-park ... o-funding/

Was posting a source or link that difficult ? I would rate your original post as misleading with this added context.

[DaveKCMO]

My evergreen comments:

- MoDOT has not signed off on this, to my knowledge (this is required)
- No one with technical capacity has stepped up to build/maintain the new infrastructure (which is why some grants were rejected)
- Project has not identified mitigations for closing Walnut and the impact that would have on streetcar operations

[TheUrbanRoo]

Is there anything that said that said that’s the case or are you making thing up again

Sorry asshole, it's straight from the news coverage:

That could mean no planned food hall or performance pavilion pictured in preliminary renderings in a two block area east of Main Street right away. Mayor Lucas thinks the smaller parks will still wow visitors and investors as they seek an additional $50 million privately and $75 million in federal funding according to documents presented to Kansas City’s Finance, Governance and Public Safety Committee Tuesday.

https://fox4kc.com/news/south-loop-park ... o-funding/

Was posting a source or link that difficult ? I would rate your original post as misleading with this added context.

I dont understand how it's misleading. This is what could possibly happen.

Now believe me, I want more than anyone for this park to happen fully like they imagined. I've been the one banging on the table saying it will have equal or greater impact as the Royals Crossroads.

[TheUrbanRoo]

City council approved the funding to get to $130 mil, they reiterate the hope to start at the end of the year:

https://www.kcur.org/housing-developmen ... op-project

[bspecht]

Bunch said in TIO yesterday "there's no way this is getting done by the World Cup" recommended Barney Allis (the topic of the ordinance) being the "front lawn" instead.

[GRID]

Bunch said in TIO yesterday "there's no way this is getting done by the World Cup" recommended Barney Allis (the topic of the ordinance) being the "front lawn" instead.

About time somebody said something realistic. That is easily a 2 year construction project "after" all funding, state and federal approvals and designs are complete, none of which are.

This will be lucky to break ground by the WC and it really shouldn't break ground till they figure out where the stadium is going to go. Because if the stadium goes anywhere near the south loop, it should be designed and built at the same time so that the entire area is properly designed to work together and you don't have the area under constant construction for ten years after a stadium opens.

[TheUrbanRoo]

If they even get the first segment done by summer 2026 then this project will be significantly better than anything Barney Allis can do

[Cratedigger]

Just for reference, this was the project timeline for Klyde Warren

The initial feasibility study for the Park was conducted in 2004. In June 2006, the Woodall Rodgers Park Foundation unveiled the Park’s original design and three years later announced that Archer Western won the project’s construction contract. Four months after the announcement, construction of the Park began in October 2009 and 36 months later the Park opened in October 2012.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ipd/project_pr ... _park.aspx

Going to quote this again, because these projects are very complicated and take time. A 2026 completion when the funding is not confirmed and the engineering and design phases are not completed is extremely accelerated.

The 2nd highway deck park in Dallas is underway right now. Funding/planning began in 2017 and the park is set to open in 2024. TxDOT began actual construction work in 2020.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... de-warren/

[langosta]

That article seems to make it sound like 1 block took about 2 years. Construction broke ground before they even funded the one block.

[GRID]

Just for reference, this was the project timeline for Klyde Warren



https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ipd/project_pr ... _park.aspx

Going to quote this again, because these projects are very complicated and take time. A 2026 completion when the funding is not confirmed and the engineering and design phases are not completed is extremely accelerated.

The 2nd highway deck park in Dallas is underway right now. Funding/planning began in 2017 and the park is set to open in 2024. TxDOT began actual construction work in 2020.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... de-warren/

Txdot was probably also much easier to work with to get the project approved and ready to build. As much as I hate texas freeways, they do keep them up and they are very modern and they tend to build them and not have to worry about them for many decades.

Compare that to Modot and most of the highways in the KC area, especially downtown. It's like night and day. A bunch of crumbing crap from the 1960s with a new overpass here and there.

KCMO is going to have to really take control of this project, along with figuring out what to do with the rest of downtown's highways and bridges otherwise KC will get the typical bare minimum maintenance or dated highway design for new projects that MoDot does in KC. And take forever doing it.

[langosta]

Going to quote this again, because these projects are very complicated and take time. A 2026 completion when the funding is not confirmed and the engineering and design phases are not completed is extremely accelerated.

The 2nd highway deck park in Dallas is underway right now. Funding/planning began in 2017 and the park is set to open in 2024. TxDOT began actual construction work in 2020.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... de-warren/

Txdot was probably also much easier to work with to get the project approved and ready to build. As much as I hate texas freeways, they do keep them up and they are very modern and they tend to build them and not have to worry about them for many decades.

Compare that to Modot and most of the highways in the KC area, especially downtown. It's like night and day. A bunch of crumbing crap from the 1960s with a new overpass here and there.

KCMO is going to have to really take control of this project, along with figuring out what to do with the rest of downtown's highways and bridges otherwise KC will get the typical bare minimum maintenance or dated highway design for new projects that MoDot does in KC. And take forever doing it.

KC benefits by having built 2 very similar bridges over the past decade on the exact same site.