Capping the Loop

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Damn, does this put the cap in jeopardy, regardless of timelines? I’m guessing the downtown ballpark being approved by the vote would help solidify funding, but if that falls through as well, then what?
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It’s incredible how this thing seems to be close to breaking ground every 6 months or so and then goes completely silent again
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Name it Hawley Park and it gets done tomorrow.
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Said all along this has no chance of opening prior to the world cup. They might start construction before the WC if they are lucky.

How does MO have the money to widen I-70 across the entire state when most of it doesn't need it? I-70 only needs to be six lanes to Odessa for example. Widening it from Odessa to Colombia is not needed especially when you have major needs in the KC area. Should take that money to rebuild and cap the loop and rebuild I-70 from Downtown to 470.
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My favorite part is the fact that the “Reconnecting communities” program is being used to fucking widen highways elsewhere…
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GRID wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:07 pm Said all along this has no chance of opening prior to the world cup. They might start construction before the WC if they are lucky.

How does MO have the money to widen I-70 across the entire state when most of it doesn't need it? I-70 only needs to be six lanes to Odessa for example. Widening it from Odessa to Colombia is not needed especially when you have major needs in the KC area. Should take that money to rebuild and cap the loop and rebuild I-70 from Downtown to 470.
It absolutely should NOT be widened to Odessa, that's just going to encourage more exurban sprawl.
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The lid has two major issues:

1. No one has addressed the EIS comments.
2. No one (with the capacity as judged by the feds) has stepped up to build/maintain the project.

Until these are addressed, nothing happens... especially the eastern expansion proposed by the team.

As for WC, this isn't even the focus area for FIFA. That would be Union Station and Arrowhead.
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dnweava wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:53 pm
GRID wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:07 pm Said all along this has no chance of opening prior to the world cup. They might start construction before the WC if they are lucky.

How does MO have the money to widen I-70 across the entire state when most of it doesn't need it? I-70 only needs to be six lanes to Odessa for example. Widening it from Odessa to Colombia is not needed especially when you have major needs in the KC area. Should take that money to rebuild and cap the loop and rebuild I-70 from Downtown to 470.
It absolutely should NOT be widened to Odessa, that's just going to encourage more exurban sprawl.
No, it's just for safely reasons. I-70 through there is not congested, so adding a lane is not going to encourage sprawl. The on and off rams are not safe the way it is now. They haven't been for a very long time.
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Break ground by end of year starting with western blocks. 1/2 funded for the entire project, all blocks, secured. This has been slowed by MODOT and Feds.
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Finally some news rolling the last couple days
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DaveKCMO wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:57 pm The lid has two major issues:

1. No one has addressed the EIS comments.
2. No one (with the capacity as judged by the feds) has stepped up to build/maintain the project.

Until these are addressed, nothing happens... especially the eastern expansion proposed by the team.

As for WC, this isn't even the focus area for FIFA. That would be Union Station and Arrowhead.
So what will it take to get MoDOT to fund an EIS? (As an aside, this shouldn't require a super involved EIS to the same degree that a new freeway or bridge would. A stormwater management study, sure. But it's already all concrete. Looking for endangered species seems like a waste of time.)
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langosta wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:24 am Break ground by end of year starting with western blocks. 1/2 funded for the entire project, all blocks, secured. This has been slowed by MODOT and Feds.
Where are you seeing this?
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DColeKC wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:34 am
langosta wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:24 am Break ground by end of year starting with western blocks. 1/2 funded for the entire project, all blocks, secured. This has been slowed by MODOT and Feds.
Where are you seeing this?
from the city manager radio interview
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langosta wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:48 pm
DColeKC wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:34 am
langosta wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:24 am Break ground by end of year starting with western blocks. 1/2 funded for the entire project, all blocks, secured. This has been slowed by MODOT and Feds.
Where are you seeing this?
from the city manager radio interview
Very nice.
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I went to a Linda Hall event today with the city engineer, Nicolas Bosonetto, about highway removal. Very good talk. He seems like exactly the kind of person we want working for KCMO. I think it was recorded, I'll post it here when it becomes available.
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KCBJ says hoping to start later this year, might have about half the money needed. Will likely build in phases. I wonder which blocks they would build first. Would the start from the west or the east?

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... k-cap.html
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GRID wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 12:13 am KCBJ says hoping to start later this year, might have about half the money needed. Will likely build in phases. I wonder which blocks they would build first. Would the start from the west or the east?

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... k-cap.html
Brian Platt said a few weeks ago they'd start from the western block.
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I'm concerned about them rushing to start this project on the cheap and lose some of the amazing amenities they were going to add in it. The food hall, the concert pavillion, etc...

I'm not usually one to ever favor wasting time on projects, but honestly in this case I think it may be worth it to wait to get the full funding for all or most the amenities. Because I think this park with those amenities could potentially draw more residents downtown than even the Royals crossroads site would. I think we gotta get more out of the park than the cheap quick build. KC could really really build a destination park with it.
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Is there anything that said that said that’s the case or are you making thing up again
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I think it’s just a concern UrbanRoo has. The food hall I could see being cut, concern pavilion could be redesigned but be retained. If anything, I could see trees being pushed to the edges in order to avoid the already complicated engineering challenges.
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