TIME TO FREAK OUT AGAIN ABOUT CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT! THE BIG 12 IS DEAD! MAYBE!

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Highlander wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:08 pm https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/big-12 ... h-colorado

I link this article because it contains the only map I can find that reflects what the B12 will most likely ultimately look like in the foreseeable future. There is no doubt that the geographic and population center of the conference will shift to the west as new teams join leaving KC no longer in the center of conference activity. I would think KC might start getting some competition from Denver or San Antonio or some similarly well centered point in the conference going forward. I am glad to hear that the B12 wants to affirm its presence in KC for basketball. Cannot see KC having sole ownership past the next few years - I suspect there will be too much competition. It will be interesting to have people from Florida, Arizona, Cincy and Utah up in KC for the tourney (and wasn't Houston just in KC for the NCAA regional?).
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Looks more like a Southwestern conference than a Midwestern conference. But not too shabby.
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Big 12 Men and Women's tournament to stay in KC through 2031. Good news. Hope the B12 in it present forms survives further realignment and the NCAA doesn't mess with the tournament to the point that conference tournaments become archaic. With the increased footprint, fans from Arizona, Colorado and Utah will be in town for future tournaments; not just a midwestern affair like the old B8 (+ Texas in the B12).

And this year, fans will get to experience some mild weather for once in KC during the tourney. Thinking about heading down myself to see an early random contest.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... -city-2031
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Highlander wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:08 am fans from Arizona, Colorado and Utah will be in town for future tournaments
No. No they won't. At least not in any significant numbers.
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Here's a random article predicting K-State will join the SEC and KU will join the Big Ten.

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AllThingsKC wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:24 am
Highlander wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:08 am fans from Arizona, Colorado and Utah will be in town for future tournaments
No. No they won't. At least not in any significant numbers.
There will be fans in town. It won't be in the tens of thousands but Arizona, for instance, is a perennial top 5-10 basketball school so there will be people travelling. I was at the NCAA last year when Miami was in the regional here and was kind of surprised how many Miami basketball fans made the trip up here.

Update: Went down to the P&L today during the B12 tourney. The place was hopping. We parked at Liberty Memorial overflow lots (the place was packed) and walked downtown from there. Saw cars from all the B12 states at the Memorial (with the exception of Ohio) with Iowa being the most prevalent. While walking around downtown, we saw quite a few people wearing their B12 school gear. Lot's of BYU fans. Quite a few UCF fans and tons of people from Oklahoma and Texas. Most of the fans were in and around the P&L District but quite a few ventured out to the RM and we saw a lot at Union Station and along Main Street and on the streetcar.
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Can we rename the thread yet?
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:43 pm Can we rename the thread yet?
There's a Big 12 Tournament thread (not all that far back) and I should have put my post there. If there's a moderator around that wants to move my initial and ensuing posts there, that would be OK.
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Highlander wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:32 am
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:43 pm Can we rename the thread yet?
There's a Big 12 Tournament thread (not all that far back) and I should have put my post there. If there's a moderator around that wants to move my initial and ensuing posts there, that would be OK.
Nah it’s not even about your post, I’m just annoyed constantly reading an all caps title for the thread when the conference is up to 16 teams and stabilized in KC through 2031
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Report: Big 12 pursuing Duke to join the conference
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-BB1kwcnY
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beautyfromashes wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:42 pm Report: Big 12 pursuing Duke to join the conference
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-BB1kwcnY
I've seen speculation of another B1G and SEC raid, this time of ACC football programs so I guess this is not so far fetched (although it would impact one of the greatest rivalries in college basketball Duke/NCar). I see Gonzaga speculation as well in the article. Looks like the B12 wants to set itself up as the premier basketball conference.
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Highlander wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:23 pm
beautyfromashes wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:42 pm Report: Big 12 pursuing Duke to join the conference
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-BB1kwcnY
I've seen speculation of another B1G and SEC raid, this time of ACC football programs so I guess this is not so far fetched (although it would impact one of the greatest rivalries in college basketball Duke/NCar). I see Gonzaga speculation as well in the article. Looks like the B12 wants to set itself up as the premier basketball conference.
Right now, conference media payouts are combined with football and basketball. If that changes and the Big 12 has the premier teams/matchups, I think they start catching the payout of the SEC/B1G. Have to remember that Duke also has a football program that is getting better. We're definitely positioning ourselves as the third power conference.
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Big 12 media day in Vegas, Yormark said Las Vegas will become a bigger piece of the Big 12 puzzle. Will explore opportunities to move tent pole events, champion events there. Later said this won’t include many championships for a while
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langosta wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:52 pm Big 12 media day in Vegas, Yormark said Las Vegas will become a bigger piece of the Big 12 puzzle. Will explore opportunities to move tent pole events, champion events there. Later said this won’t include many championships for a while
Nice to hear that it won’t include much in the way of Championships, in the short and medium term.

We’re all definitely partial, but I still can’t see the benefit to having any type of tournament or championship played in Vegas.

Too much going on that it would just drowned out the event into obscurity. Comparative to how we practically become a Big12 Mecca for a couple weeks, I just don’t see how the Vegas environment would ever be more appealing for any type of play.
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Bigger stage nationally and better conference infrastructure
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Vegas is not a great spot for holding College Championship events. No doubt they can support it and they have the hotel/entertainment/convection stuff dialed in to a smooth machine. Plus travel there is easy. With all that said, these events are just another "thing" and nothing special.

In my old job I went to Vegas once a month for over 2yrs to run long weekend events for my company. I'd get there WED afternoon and leave SUN morning. Got to experience a lot of neat things and saw the city change a lot in just those brief 2 plus years. But I was there and grabbed some tickets to when the PAC 12 held their Basketball Championships there. It was in the arena/concert hall space in MGM. It was an odd setup, especially with "luxury boxes" being basically roped off areas with curtains and couches. I found it funny. Point was, there was hardly anyone there to watch it and most of the fans I talked to were more interested in being in Vegas than going to the game. So yes it is a draw but it was not the focal point. No real chance to for the Conference to get their brand out there & garner any excitement. Plus there were 2 other basketball conference championships going on the same time. The only place you would see anything promoting Pac 12 was in the MGM.

Vegas is great and fun to visit. But it stinks, IMO for college sporting events. SB makes sense there, but the other things that are more regionally important events the town just rolls up into everything else going on. The Big 12 would be very unwise to think of Vegas as more of a permanent home for their events. Maybe try it out once, sure I'm down, but overall I think it would be a mistake.

But honestly who knows where college sports will be in 2-3 yrs from now. Could just be 3 "Mega Conferences" by region with like 18 teams per, more like the NFL model of divisions, and everything that people love about college sports like traditions and rivalries, etc. will be washed away by the all mighty dollar...
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Kansas City is also just gonna be so much better located to get to for a conference that is increasingly becoming national. And its already got it down how to run these tournaments.
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dukuboy1 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:32 am Vegas is not a great spot for holding College Championship events. No doubt they can support it and they have the hotel/entertainment/convection stuff dialed in to a smooth machine. Plus travel there is easy. With all that said, these events are just another "thing" and nothing special.

In my old job I went to Vegas once a month for over 2yrs to run long weekend events for my company. I'd get there WED afternoon and leave SUN morning. Got to experience a lot of neat things and saw the city change a lot in just those brief 2 plus years. But I was there and grabbed some tickets to when the PAC 12 held their Basketball Championships there. It was in the arena/concert hall space in MGM. It was an odd setup, especially with "luxury boxes" being basically roped off areas with curtains and couches. I found it funny. Point was, there was hardly anyone there to watch it and most of the fans I talked to were more interested in being in Vegas than going to the game. So yes it is a draw but it was not the focal point. No real chance to for the Conference to get their brand out there & garner any excitement. Plus there were 2 other basketball conference championships going on the same time. The only place you would see anything promoting Pac 12 was in the MGM.

Vegas is great and fun to visit. But it stinks, IMO for college sporting events. SB makes sense there, but the other things that are more regionally important events the town just rolls up into everything else going on. The Big 12 would be very unwise to think of Vegas as more of a permanent home for their events. Maybe try it out once, sure I'm down, but overall I think it would be a mistake.

But honestly who knows where college sports will be in 2-3 yrs from now. Could just be 3 "Mega Conferences" by region with like 18 teams per, more like the NFL model of divisions, and everything that people love about college sports like traditions and rivalries, etc. will be washed away by the all mighty dollar...
I am not a Vegas fan at all so I am pretty biased but the Big 12 basketball championship there would be kind of defeating. In KC, it is the big event. Fans from the various teams are gathered in one central place and the experience is about the game. That's not going to be the case in Vegas. While I'm sure it would be a welcome change to some, especially newer B12 members, it is more about the other stuff going on in the city than it is the basketball. You lose a lot of the college basketball experience in the process. Plus, it's further west than any B12 school by some distance. It would be geographically silly to have it there.

It would help if downtown KC had more to offer (another reason to get downtown baseball ASAP); more and better hotels, more retail, more restaurants but the tourney is an overall fun experience. It was great this year with March being so warm. The streetcar will make it even better as will downtown baseball - which will help support more downtown business overall.

The other concern is that with an expanding NCAA tourney, how long will the conference tourney's survive? The big conferences get the same number of teams in the NCAA regardless and are not a big factor (NCState being a big exception this year) and the smaller conferences would be wise to abandon their tourneys to ensure their best foot is put forward on an annual basis.
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Playing devil's advocate...

Ok, so Vegas isn't good. I'm guessing Orlando as well. How about OKC, Dallas or Cincinnati? OKC doesn't have great non stop air service, but a decent downtown and pro ball. Dallas is Dallas.
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SingleMalt12 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:44 pm Playing devil's advocate...

Ok, so Vegas isn't good. I'm guessing Orlando as well. How about OKC, Dallas or Cincinnati? OKC doesn't have great non stop air service, but a decent downtown and pro ball. Dallas is Dallas.
Orlando has a lot.
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