I have not given up on KC, I have given up trying to talk to people in KC about what a city is supposed to be like and I'm not talking about this forum.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:27 pmNo you won't, you can't quit us! I will say maybe judging KC on a reverse curve is a bit jarse. Those of us seeing it everyday feel pretty good about where we are and where we are going.GRID wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:57 amI'm trying really hard to see downtown KC in the same way you guys see it. Downtown KC is still trying to get over the hump. Still. Today. Every single city in the entire country has seen at least as much downtown growth that KC has seen in the past 20 years, most a lot more.beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:11 pm This is about downtown Kansas City finally knowing our worth. We don’t have to desperately take any deal brought to the table and deals have to be fair. We shouldn’t be negotiating from a place of weakness, like we did with Cordish and P&L.
In the past 20 years, there are a few new five over ones and a couple of new 12 story building in the Crossroads. Downtown has seen pretty much no new construction outside of the P&L District and even that area is not exactly boomtown adding a new 20 story building every five years. But the three Light buildings, H&R Block and the 1400 KC building would not be there if it were not for the Cordish deal.
So much of downtown, including the Crossroads, is still parking lots and barely used buildings. It's a harsh reality.
I can't even freaking imagine KC today had the city not made a deal with Cordish. I think you would be looking at the most stagnant major downtown in the country BY FAR except maybe Memphis?
I can see wanting to put the stadium in EV, but this save the crossroads thing has gone silly.
And nearly all the backlash is still on the Royals when it should be on the Chiefs. Good lord that was a slap in the face by the Hunts. I would almost vote no on this just based on the Chiefs alone. A 40 year tax for another basic renovation to Arrowhead is the dumbest thing ever.
I don't know if KC can even pull off a new stadium. Not like the renderings show anyway. That's my main issue with the Royals stadium.
I'm starting to care less and less about this. I'll be at opening day at Nats stadium, I have what I'm trying to get in KC in my backyard. I'm not sure why I care about KC this much anymore. It's exhausting. My only fear is the teams leaving or moving to Kansas, but that's probably several years out from being a real threat.
Comparing KC to DC is never going to end well. Different leagues.
I also never, ever compare KC to DC. I just stated I have most of what I want in a city with DC nearby. I compare KC to similar sized cities or cities that were similar sized to KC not too long ago or cities that are about to be similar sized.
I doubt I will ever be able to stop caring. Maybe just take step back. If the sports teams move to Kansas. That will be the last straw though. Mark my words, I will be done with KC if that happens. I mean, I have had zero interest in Sporting KC since they moved into the parking lot of Nebraska Furniture Mart. The second they moved, they became a KS team, not a KC team in my mind. But the Royals and the Chiefs and the economic activity and civic pride they give the city will be too much. I know it's a long shot, just saying, that's what would finally end my love hate relationship with KC for good.
The Chiefs really pissed me off on this. They are blowing it. The Chiefs are the most popular NFL team in the world right now and that's not hyperbole. And what are the owners are giving back to the city? Just tired of the wasted opportunities.
But then again. If the Chiefs were to do something special, that's going to cost money and we can spend tax money in KC. Never mind that the only parts of downtown that don't have crumbling sidewalks are near new development that often have TIF. I mean a new downtown stadium will bring with it many blocks of new infrastructure that does not happen in downtown KC otherwise.