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Imarealperson wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:50 pm
TheSmokinPun wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:30 pm They had nowhere else to go. It was lose the team or build there.

They are trying with the cheaper U-Pass system but the fact there are fewer young people driving is really going to ultimately kill that location.
Fewer young people driving? Absurd. The base comes in off 435. It’s not the overweight neckbeards spilling out of tattoo parlors on Broadway.
US Teens aren’t getting drivers licenses as young as they once did
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Gen Z isn’t interested in driving
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Imarealperson wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:48 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:17 pm
GRID wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:05 pm If sporting starts playing poorly, I think there is a good chance their attendance drops like a rock and they will quickly go to the bottom tier of attendance.

I think this is where location will hurt them, just like the Royals.

Weekday attendance, drawing from a younger more urban demographic etc will become a serious challenge, just like the Royals have.

I think even if the Royals lose 100 games in a year, they would draw substantially more than their weekday average of 11k to a downtown park (even after the new stadium honeymoon attendance boost).
Averages I was able to find across the league was about 5,000 average higher for urban stadiums with some equally as poor ball teams.
Did you adjust for population?
Exclusively used metros of comparable size, +/-250,000/Metro
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Imarealperson wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:48 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:17 pm
GRID wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:05 pm If sporting starts playing poorly, I think there is a good chance their attendance drops like a rock and they will quickly go to the bottom tier of attendance.

I think this is where location will hurt them, just like the Royals.

Weekday attendance, drawing from a younger more urban demographic etc will become a serious challenge, just like the Royals have.

I think even if the Royals lose 100 games in a year, they would draw substantially more than their weekday average of 11k to a downtown park (even after the new stadium honeymoon attendance boost).
Averages I was able to find across the league was about 5,000 average higher for urban stadiums with some equally as poor ball teams.
Did you adjust for population?
Where'd you find this data? I vaguely recall looking into this because I was also curious when it was discussed on this forum.

I'll go back on my old posts and see if I can find it when I get a chance, but here is one of the better data-rich articles I remember linking, still applicable even though MLB focused: https://community.fangraphs.com/the-imp ... ttendance/

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alejandro46 wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:52 pm
Imarealperson wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:48 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:17 pm
Averages I was able to find across the league was about 5,000 average higher for urban stadiums with some equally as poor ball teams.
Did you adjust for population?
Where'd you find this data? I vaguely recall looking into this because I was also curious when it was discussed on this forum.

I'll go back on my old posts and see if I can find it when I get a chance, but here is one of the better data-rich articles I remember linking, still applicable even though MLB focused: https://community.fangraphs.com/the-imp ... ttendance/

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Individual attendance reports, and then looked at stadium location relative to downtown center. I then compiled and compared to the metro populations.
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langosta wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:04 pm
Imarealperson wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:50 pm
TheSmokinPun wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:30 pm They had nowhere else to go. It was lose the team or build there.

They are trying with the cheaper U-Pass system but the fact there are fewer young people driving is really going to ultimately kill that location.
Fewer young people driving? Absurd. The base comes in off 435. It’s not the overweight neckbeards spilling out of tattoo parlors on Broadway.
US Teens aren’t getting drivers licenses as young as they once did
https://theweek.com/travel/1020987/why- ... s-licenses


Gen Z isn’t interested in driving
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate- ... less-uber/
I’d accept that in places with good public transit. I don’t feel that applies to KC
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True, the US is famously full of cities with good public transit
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Imarealperson wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:17 pm
langosta wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:04 pm
Imarealperson wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:50 pm

Fewer young people driving? Absurd. The base comes in off 435. It’s not the overweight neckbeards spilling out of tattoo parlors on Broadway.
US Teens aren’t getting drivers licenses as young as they once did
https://theweek.com/travel/1020987/why- ... s-licenses


Gen Z isn’t interested in driving
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate- ... less-uber/
I’d accept that in places with good public transit. I don’t feel that applies to KC
Also likely has more to do with the cost of car ownership. Especially in a city like KC
Most of these young people were not opting to forgo driving because of environmental convictions or a principled rejection of car culture — they just couldn’t afford it.

“It makes sense if you look at the cost of owning a car and insuring a teen driver,” Ralph said. “It’s so expensive that it doesn’t make sense.” Unable to buy a car themselves, teens relied on family and friends to chauffeur them — which limited their mobility. If they had more money, or if driving was cheaper, such young people would have been behind the wheel.
Indeed, as that cohort aged — and their incomes rose, and they started having children — it turned out that they weren’t so anti-driving after all. “The notion that Millennials are spurning cars across the board is clearly oversimplified,” CityLab noted in 2014, looking at auto commuting patterns across US metros. That same year, American Millennials began buying so many cars that they were grabbing market share from every other generation. “They’re heading to the dealership, just like their parents,” Derek Thompson admitted in a 2015 article in The Atlantic, three years after he and a coauthor asserted that Millennials would “almost certainly be a less-driving [generation].”
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More Than 80 Percent Of Americans Can’t Afford New Cars

https://jalopnik.com/more-than-80-perce ... 1850906956

Most Americans Struggle With Car Maintenance And Can’t Afford Unexpected $1,000 Repair Bill
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American drivers are very close to their financial limit when it comes to operating their vehicles. A new survey suggests not only that 58 percent of vehicle owners could not afford an unexpected repair bill of more than $1,000, a large portion of the population is putting off important maintenance.
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https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/major ... pair-bill/
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FangKC wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:50 pm More Than 80 Percent Of Americans Can’t Afford New Cars

https://jalopnik.com/more-than-80-perce ... 1850906956

Most Americans Struggle With Car Maintenance And Can’t Afford Unexpected $1,000 Repair Bill
...
American drivers are very close to their financial limit when it comes to operating their vehicles. A new survey suggests not only that 58 percent of vehicle owners could not afford an unexpected repair bill of more than $1,000, a large portion of the population is putting off important maintenance.
...
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/major ... pair-bill/
Most Americans couldn’t afford an unexpected $1,000 medical bill either, but they aren’t lining up to jump off bridges.
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The point of posting the article is that it may push more people into transit usage out of necessity.
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So true. Back in the day I hitchhiked from downtown to work in olathe. Was really easy and fast on I-35. Seem these days it's to hard for most to even try to figure out transit. Video games have made generations of weskminded Americans.
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FangKC wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:50 pm More Than 80 Percent Of Americans Can’t Afford New Cars

https://jalopnik.com/more-than-80-perce ... 1850906956

Most Americans Struggle With Car Maintenance And Can’t Afford Unexpected $1,000 Repair Bill
...
American drivers are very close to their financial limit when it comes to operating their vehicles. A new survey suggests not only that 58 percent of vehicle owners could not afford an unexpected repair bill of more than $1,000, a large portion of the population is putting off important maintenance.
...
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/major ... pair-bill/
If you read about young drivers, most articles touch on a specific lack of interest. My articles talk about Uber and other alternatives, which are more expensive….
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Hartzel is out for sporting. Fired.
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DColeKC wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:49 pm Hartzel is out for sporting. Fired.
Good. His frivolous complaints and spreading of lies over the Pennway Point Ferris Wheel proved to me that he wasn’t a serious person. Should’ve been kicked to the curb then. Best news I’ve heard today.
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Chris Stritzel wrote: Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:17 am
DColeKC wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:49 pm Hartzel is out for sporting. Fired.
Good. His frivolous complaints and spreading of lies over the Pennway Point Ferris Wheel proved to me that he wasn’t a serious person. Should’ve been kicked to the curb then. Best news I’ve heard today.
He's also a key cog for KC Tenants and an awfully hypocritical one at that. I'm sure biting the hand that feeds wasn't well received.. 😆🤷
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I really have no idea about his personal opinions/views and don't give a shit. But I did find his delivery as emcee to be over-the-top and obnoxious with all of the screaming.

Sporting has also upgraded the video boards and lighting in the stadium. I'm hoping this, along with Hartzel going away means that there will be a refresh to the pre-game and in-game presentation. It was getting stale and could be improved.
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im2kull wrote: Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:27 am
Chris Stritzel wrote: Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:17 am
DColeKC wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:49 pm Hartzel is out for sporting. Fired.
Good. His frivolous complaints and spreading of lies over the Pennway Point Ferris Wheel proved to me that he wasn’t a serious person. Should’ve been kicked to the curb then. Best news I’ve heard today.
He's also a key cog for KC Tenants and an awfully hypocritical one at that. I'm sure biting the hand that feeds wasn't well received.. 😆🤷
You can only bite the hand that feeds for so long.
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