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The star is on a weird build the retractable stadium kick.
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Seems wise. The summer weather here is basically Texan now.
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chingon wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 3:52 pm Seems wise. The summer weather here is basically Texan now.
Considering the wide area we draw from I always thought a roof was essential. If I'm in Salina KS and I want to take the family to a game I'm going to be more likely to if I can be assured it's not a rainout. Heat is becoming an issue but an open-air stadium with a roof for sun and rain would be fine.
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WoodDraw wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:42 am The star is on a weird build the retractable stadium kick.
Isn't that just an op-ed? They've done much worse in that space.
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Does a retractable roof make the direction the stadium faces a non-issue?
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I've seen several articles indicating that if we don't get off fossil fuels very quickly, Kansas City will be like Phoenix in 50 years. We have already had 90-degree days in May this year in Kansas City. An air-conditioned baseball stadium may be needed at some point. Should they design it now to retrofit that feature later?
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Air conditioned stadiums arent going to prevent Kansas City from becoming Phoenix. Air conditioning a giant stadium is such a stupid idea, it's nothing but a waste of energy and money, at the expense of taxpayers assuming this is a publicly owned and operated stadium. A wiser and environmentally friendlier option would be shade canopies and having night games instead of midday/afternoon games in the summer.
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FangKC wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 2:11 am I've seen several articles indicating that if we don't get off fossil fuels very quickly, Kansas City will be like Phoenix in 50 years. We have already had 90-degree days in May this year in Kansas City. An air-conditioned baseball stadium may be needed at some point. Should they design it now to retrofit that feature later?
Lol. WHAT?!?!?
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Cratedigger wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:31 pm The impending bankruptcy of Sinclair’s Diamond Sports Group is going to have some interesting impacts on the payrolls of teams - including the Royals. Their current deal pays out between $48 million and $52 million a year. MLB is likely to take the rights in house, which will be great for blackouts. But they aren't going to pay more than current market value. Which is likely going to be significantly lower than the current budgeted amount.

In the grand scheme of things, likely won't mean a ton for this project. And long term this is probably a good thing for the league. But the team is bracing for lower budgets and potential cash infusions in the short term.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jabariyoun ... 425a0fb3cf
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/37 ... st-rights

And it begins... DSG will not pay the San Diego Padres their rights fee so the MLB will begin broadcasting Padres games directly through its streaming service and other channels.

First step in the MLB beginning to consolidate broadcasting rights under a national umbrella.
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The loss of the bundle is a huge deal for mlb. It’s worse in kc because Google has such a high market share and doesn’t offer.

There are so many fans that can’t watch them anymore. People that will never grow up with the royals on the TV or radio always.

If I were in charge, I’d take rights back and give a significant amount of games out for free. The biggest threat is people stop caring.
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WoodDraw wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:42 am The star is on a weird build the retractable stadium kick.
Really? I thought the Star was anti downtown stadium.
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An emergency hearing is also being held regarding DSG’s bankruptcy
MLB lawyers are seeking all its clubs with DSG contracts to be paid in full. Judge Chris Lopez had previously ordered DSG to make partial payments to Texas Rangers, Arizona Diamondbacks, Cleveland Guardians and Minnesota Twins that MLB claimed the RSN were being held “captive.”

Minus the clubs being made whole, MLB has requested Lopez release the team from their DSG contracts.

Lopez is expected to make a ruling at the conclusion of the hearing, which is expected to continue into Thursday.
https://frontofficesports.com/mlbs-rob ... kruptcy/
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Imarealperson wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 10:45 am
FangKC wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 2:11 am I've seen several articles indicating that if we don't get off fossil fuels very quickly, Kansas City will be like Phoenix in 50 years. We have already had 90-degree days in May this year in Kansas City. An air-conditioned baseball stadium may be needed at some point. Should they design it now to retrofit that feature later?
Lol. WHAT?!?!?
Don't you read?

viewtopic.php?t=21355

Kansas City summers could be as hot as 125 degrees in the next 30 years, study finds

https://www.kansascity.com/news/weather ... 72861.html

Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts

https://www.kcur.org/news/2022-08-16/ka ... y-predicts

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... years-ago/

https://apnews.com/article/climate-unit ... 88b37a690e

https://fox4kc.com/weather/this-could-b ... sion-cuts/

Eastern Kansas will see dangerously high temperatures by 2053, a new climate study predicts

https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/sta ... 349632002/

An "Extreme Heat Belt" will soon emerge in the U.S., study warns

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/15/extrem ... al-warming

So is an air-conditioned stadium a reasonable thing if this occurs?

Will people sit outside if it's still in the 90s after 8 pm? I doubt it. I've lived in a desert city and people don't go outside when it's still in the 90s in the evening.
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I am feverishly trying to patent my new rhigolene-impregnated seats in time for the new downtown stadium. They will keep you colder than a well-digger's ass. Still have a few kinks to work out... they smell a little funny and sometimes you stick to them. But with the right trousers and an umbrella hat, you'll be cool at the new K through 2053.
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GRID wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 6:16 pm
WoodDraw wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:42 am The star is on a weird build the retractable stadium kick.
Really? I thought the Star was anti downtown stadium.
It was about building the sliding roof over TSC. Like instead of going downtown, finish the original vision. It's as dumb as it sounds.
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Watch them build an open air stadium, in clay county, then cry about the open air aspect, and the fact it’s now up north. This city tends to shoot itself in the foot in those ways.
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FangKC wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 9:29 pm
Kansas City summers could be as hot as 125 degrees in the next 30 years, study finds

https://www.kansascity.com/news/weather ... 72861.html

https://fox4kc.com/weather/this-could-b ... sion-cuts/

Eastern Kansas will see dangerously high temperatures by 2053, a new climate study predicts

https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/sta ... 349632002/

An "Extreme Heat Belt" will soon emerge in the U.S., study warns

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/15/extrem ... al-warming

So is an air-conditioned stadium a reasonable thing if this occurs?
No. Adding more air conditioning to this world only exuberates global warming. You're literally introducing MORE heat to the world with air conditioning.
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FangKC wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 9:29 pm
Imarealperson wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 10:45 am
FangKC wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 2:11 am I've seen several articles indicating that if we don't get off fossil fuels very quickly, Kansas City will be like Phoenix in 50 years. We have already had 90-degree days in May this year in Kansas City. An air-conditioned baseball stadium may be needed at some point. Should they design it now to retrofit that feature later?
Lol. WHAT?!?!?
Don't you read?

viewtopic.php?t=21355

Kansas City summers could be as hot as 125 degrees in the next 30 years, study finds

https://www.kansascity.com/news/weather ... 72861.html

Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts

https://www.kcur.org/news/2022-08-16/ka ... y-predicts

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... years-ago/

https://apnews.com/article/climate-unit ... 88b37a690e

https://fox4kc.com/weather/this-could-b ... sion-cuts/

Eastern Kansas will see dangerously high temperatures by 2053, a new climate study predicts

https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/sta ... 349632002/

An "Extreme Heat Belt" will soon emerge in the U.S., study warns

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/15/extrem ... al-warming

So is an air-conditioned stadium a reasonable thing if this occurs?

Will people sit outside if it's still in the 90s after 8 pm? I doubt it. I've lived in a desert city and people don't go outside when it's still in the 90s in the evening.
Building an indoor Air conditioned stadium based on what the weather may or may not be in 30 years seems…um…not like the best idea.

Also, that said heat index, not temperature. Do you read? Or just browse headlines? Posting multiple news stories of the same study is pretty thorough work. Jesus Christ. Try again.
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Imarealperson wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:10 pm
FangKC wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 9:29 pm
Imarealperson wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 10:45 am

Lol. WHAT?!?!?
Don't you read?

viewtopic.php?t=21355

Kansas City summers could be as hot as 125 degrees in the next 30 years, study finds

https://www.kansascity.com/news/weather ... 72861.html

Kansas City will likely suffer 'off the charts' heat in the next 30 years, new study predicts

https://www.kcur.org/news/2022-08-16/ka ... y-predicts

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... years-ago/

https://apnews.com/article/climate-unit ... 88b37a690e

https://fox4kc.com/weather/this-could-b ... sion-cuts/

Eastern Kansas will see dangerously high temperatures by 2053, a new climate study predicts

https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/sta ... 349632002/

An "Extreme Heat Belt" will soon emerge in the U.S., study warns

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/15/extrem ... al-warming

So is an air-conditioned stadium a reasonable thing if this occurs?

Will people sit outside if it's still in the 90s after 8 pm? I doubt it. I've lived in a desert city and people don't go outside when it's still in the 90s in the evening.
Building an indoor Air conditioned stadium based on what the weather may or may not be in 30 years seems…um…not like the best idea.

Also, that said heat index, not temperature. Do you read? Or just browse headlines? Posting multiple news stories of the same study is pretty thorough work. Jesus Christ. Try again.
And I wouldn't put much credence in the articles. Most of those articles were written by journalists who have very little idea of what they are talking about or how modeling works. I have been involved in a lot of scientific modeling over my career. While it wasn't climate modeling, the probability functions all work about the same. When I put the P99 or P1 estimates for a given input into the model, I know these were values that we were unlikely to ever achieve but theoretically still within the realm of possibility (and the output on the high end will be based on many of the higher more unlikely inputs). And in the modeling I did, we had a host of empirical evidence that suggested we knew much about the relationship between what we were modeling and the input data, much more of a handle on the primary relationships than climate scientist have to work with.

While I acknowledge the plausibility and even likelihood of anthropogenic climate change, one has to pay pretty close attention to sort out what journalists report as a distinct possibility rather than an extremely unlikely but perhaps still remotely possible outcome somewhere near the P10 (or P90 depending how one looks at probability) end of the spectrum. I would not base too many future decisions on what I read in such articles.
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