KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments

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hartliss wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:27 am Delta added a second frequency between MCI and LAX, beginning in September.

Also appears that AA added a second frequency between MCI and MIA, starting in late August.
Love seeing more delta. Keep it coming
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hartliss wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:25 am
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:23 am
hartliss wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:27 am Delta added a second frequency between MCI and LAX, beginning in September.
Daily?
Yes, 2X, daily (not sure about weekends but definitely during week)
Seems one that might rely on connections to help pax numbers?
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:44 am
hartliss wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:25 am
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:23 am
Daily?
Yes, 2X, daily (not sure about weekends but definitely during week)
Seems one that might rely on connections to help pax numbers?
I was wondering the same thing about Boston.
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:44 am
hartliss wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:25 am
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:23 am
Daily?
Yes, 2X, daily (not sure about weekends but definitely during week)
Seems one that might rely on connections to help pax numbers?
I would doubt it unless it’s LGA. All other airports we have flights to have plenty of nonstops to LAX.
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:44 am
hartliss wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:25 am
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:23 am
Daily?
Yes, 2X, daily (not sure about weekends but definitely during week)
Seems one that might rely on connections to help pax numbers?
I believe pre-pandemic, DL was running 2/X daily. I do think this opens up the door for more to connect in LA to other destinations (Hawaii, etc) but there is plenty of O/D demand as well. I also noticed that WN is increasing frequency to 3X daily starting in October as well. That combined with NK and you will have 6 dailies to LA and 1 daily to Long Beach. Q3 O/D data shows roughly 26 pax connecting elsewhere on average from LAX.
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Somewhat random question: Anybody have quick access to number of pax per day between KC and STL? Thanks!
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smh wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:36 pm Somewhat random question: Anybody have quick access to number of pax per day between KC and STL? Thanks!
Dot has a database with this
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I have a spreadsheet with this in it but I deleted my post because I couldn't remember if it was under nda or not.

If someone doesn't get it for you, I can give it to you tomorrow.
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WoodDraw wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:14 pm I have a spreadsheet with this in it but I deleted my post because I couldn't remember if it was under nda or not.

If someone doesn't get it for you, I can give it to you tomorrow.
I can hold out! Many thanks.
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smh wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:31 pm
WoodDraw wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:14 pm I have a spreadsheet with this in it but I deleted my post because I couldn't remember if it was under nda or not.

If someone doesn't get it for you, I can give it to you tomorrow.
I can hold out! Many thanks.
Need to read my nda lol, I'm going off langosta saying it's public information. I'll try to dm you by noon if it's all good. Not a flight expert over here, it came as part of a job
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WoodDraw wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:57 pm
smh wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:31 pm
WoodDraw wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:14 pm I have a spreadsheet with this in it but I deleted my post because I couldn't remember if it was under nda or not.

If someone doesn't get it for you, I can give it to you tomorrow.
I can hold out! Many thanks.
Need to read my nga lol, I'm going off langosta saying it's public information. I'll try to dm you by noon if it's all good. Not a flight expert over here, it came as part of a job
The data is here but you need a special program to open the data files.

https://www.bts.gov/browse-statistical- ... gment-data
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From 2018
It looks to be 221 people per day

It's interesting, 81k flew the route between KC and st Louis and 295k total flew that route with connections elsewhere

http://www.stlannex.com/southwest_stl_by_the_numbers
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smh wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:36 pm Somewhat random question: Anybody have quick access to number of pax per day between KC and STL? Thanks!
O&D passengers a day one way.
2nd qtr and 3rd qtr 2022 was 52
2019 was 92
2018 was 103

Data is here. You have to divide it in half.

https://data.transportation.gov/Aviatio ... /yj5y-b2ir
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dev49 wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:50 pm
smh wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:36 pm Somewhat random question: Anybody have quick access to number of pax per day between KC and STL? Thanks!
O&D passengers a day one way.
2nd qtr and 3rd qtr 2022 was 52
2019 was 92
2018 was 103

Data is here. You have to divide it in half.

https://data.transportation.gov/Aviatio ... /yj5y-b2ir
Here is another site that does all of the heavy lifting with the data manipulation: http://www.aviationdb.com/Aviation/F4SD ... htm#SUBMIT
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Thanks everyone, this is very useful.
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Why doesn't delta have a direct to Chicago? I know it's not a hub but it's one of the few places I have to go that I never go Delta.
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shinatoo wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:04 pm Why doesn't delta have a direct to Chicago? I know it's not a hub but it's one of the few places I have to go that I never go Delta.
Delta can’t compete on price or service vs. airlines with hubs in Chicago.
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shinatoo wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:04 pm Why doesn't delta have a direct to Chicago? I know it's not a hub but it's one of the few places I have to go that I never go Delta.
how many have direct flights to non hubs from KCI? does United have flights from KCI to AA or Delta hubs?
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ericwyner wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:45 pm
shinatoo wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:04 pm Why doesn't delta have a direct to Chicago? I know it's not a hub but it's one of the few places I have to go that I never go Delta.
how many have direct flights to non hubs from KCI? does United from have flights from KCI to AA or Delta hubs?
None of the big 3 fly point to point from KCI other than limited carribean. Delta announced they would like to
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shinatoo wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:04 pm Why doesn't delta have a direct to Chicago? I know it's not a hub but it's one of the few places I have to go that I never go Delta.
United, American & to an extent Southwest all have hubs or something like that. United and American don't go to MSP, DTW, ATL, SLC, etc. for the same reason that Delta doesn't go to their hubs. Why should they?
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