Downtown Baseball Stadium

[normalthings]

I love that Royals is selling their downtown district as a way to attract retain office jobs in KC specifically downtown. I would love to look at the field from my desk. Good idea to try and use this as a way to attract jobs

[TheUrbanRoo]

I love that Royals is selling their downtown district as a way to attract retain office jobs in KC specifically downtown. I would love to look at the field from my desk. Good idea to try and use this as a way to attract jobs

Do we know yet how many towers/buildings they are actually planning to build around the stadium?

And are these buildings gonna be owned by the royals or some other private developer?

[im2kull]

I love that Royals is selling their downtown district as a way to attract retain office jobs in KC specifically downtown. I would love to look at the field from my desk. Good idea to try and use this as a way to attract jobs

Do we know yet how many towers/buildings they are actually planning to build around the stadium?

And are these buildings gonna be owned by the royals or some other private developer?

Actually planning = Zero

[beautyfromashes]

I thought about this recently, and I really think it's as simple as tying the Royals vote to a Chiefs stadium and saying we're getting a Super Bowl if it passes. I just don't think with what the Chiefs are now in the NFL now that over 50% are voting against promising a Super Bowl & a new stadium.

This is the only vote that passes. Suburbs get to keep the Chiefs and get a Super Bowl. Royals go downtown. There’d still be opposition by those against any “money to billionaires” but keeping the teams on the Missouri side with a SB carrot gets it done. Separate votes fail and the State of Kansas gets at least the Chiefs.

[WoodDraw]

You guys are delusional. Super bowls and towers?

[Anthony_Hugo98]

You guys are delusional. Super bowls and towers?

I don’t see it that way, honestly I don’t disagree with the above points in the slightest.

A Royals vote alone can’t pass, especially with their so far abysmal public engagement. Rolling with the Chiefs support though, a vote would have much better luck at passing, and with a redesigned/rebuilt arrowhead, which would likely include a roof component, a Super Bowl is without question.

[normalthings]

You guys are delusional. Super bowls and towers?

I don’t see it that way, honestly I don’t disagree with the above points in the slightest.

A Royals vote alone can’t pass, especially with their so far abysmal public engagement. Rolling with the Chiefs support though, a vote would have much better luck at passing, and with a redesigned/rebuilt arrowhead, which would likely include a roof component, a Super Bowl is without question.

Why risk your public good will when you can not play ball and let someone else test the waters.

If the Chiefs brand alone is so strong, why attach yourself to a piranha?

Even better, let the other ship sink so that you can pick up their loot.

[WoodDraw]

They already tried the roof once and it failed to pass. I know it’s become normalized in the us for very rich owners to extort money from cities while taking out profits, but I’m not sure it will be successful here.

As for towers around a new hypothetical stadium, what? Look at p&l. Decades later and there is exactly one office building and they slowly build towers.

In my opinion this whole royals things is vapor. Show me the money and I’ll believe you.

[droopy]

I agree with WoodDraw other than the rolling roof failing previously being an accurate bellwether for a vote in the near future. Wasn’t it Trent Green era Chiefs last time around? Make the playoffs in a good year and lose first round? The city is ready to approve anything for the Chiefs in the Mahomes era.

I bet towers will be phase 2 or 3 of the Royals plan. They aren’t going to happen soon or ever if the Royals continue on their current trajectory of mediocrity

[TheUrbanRoo]

They already tried the roof once and it failed to pass.

Different era. Way different era. The Chiefs are prob the biggest team in American sports now, with the biggest star. They've given the city everything. People will back them.

[TheUrbanRoo]

You guys are delusional. Super bowls and towers?

I don’t see it that way, honestly I don’t disagree with the above points in the slightest.

A Royals vote alone can’t pass, especially with their so far abysmal public engagement. Rolling with the Chiefs support though, a vote would have much better luck at passing, and with a redesigned/rebuilt arrowhead, which would likely include a roof component, a Super Bowl is without question.

Why risk your public good will when you can not play ball and let someone else test the waters.

If the Chiefs brand alone is so strong, why attach yourself to a piranha?

Even better, let the other ship sink so that you can pick up their loot.

Wouldn't they run the risk then of Royals staying at Kauffman?

[normalthings]

Royals staying at kauffman = royals moving

[normalthings]

They already tried the roof once and it failed to pass.

Different era. Way different era. The Chiefs are prob the biggest team in American sports now, with the biggest star. They've given the city everything. People will back them.

no

[TheUrbanRoo]

"Royals owner John Sherman talks of a “baseball district” in new stadium project. Says ownership will commit least a billion to the entire project. 2nd of at least 3 community meetings.
@kmbc"

https://twitter.com/KCMikeMahoney/statu ... Y4mVjEQL7A

[WoodDraw]

Perfect, no need for public money. Great to hear.

[Chris Stritzel]

I’m 100% positive the new stadium location will be the East Village. In terms of it actually getting built, I’m not so bullish. The theater around the surrounding ballpark district is what bothers me. If you just promised a new stadium, that would be more than enough. Don’t try to entice people by promising some big mixed-use district around the stadium that you’ll back privately when most baseball fans aren’t coming for the high-rises. They’re coming for the game. Build a new stadium and in the interim, improve the team to actually start winning and making it to the post-season. Rebuild the fan base. Make people want to come to the game.

Building a new stadium does jack if the team is still a loser. Why would you want to live or work looking into a stadium of a losing team?

And before anyone even hints at the idea of it, I’m not in support of the Chiefs moving downtown. If any team is coming downtown, it’s the Royals but they need to get their act together if they still want fans to come and watch them play.

[normalthings]

Any other new news? The presentations are up online

[TheUrbanRoo]

I’m 100% positive the new stadium location will be the East Village. In terms of it actually getting built, I’m not so bullish. The theater around the surrounding ballpark district is what bothers me. If you just promised a new stadium, that would be more than enough. Don’t try to entice people by promising some big mixed-use district around the stadium that you’ll back privately when most baseball fans aren’t coming for the high-rises. They’re coming for the game. Build a new stadium and in the interim, improve the team to actually start winning and making it to the post-season. Rebuild the fan base. Make people want to come to the game.

Building a new stadium does jack if the team is still a loser. Why would you want to live or work looking into a stadium of a losing team?

And before anyone even hints at the idea of it, I’m not in support of the Chiefs moving downtown. If any team is coming downtown, it’s the Royals but they need to get their act together if they still want fans to come and watch them play.

It seems to me like this project would be most similar to Petco Park and the surroundings of it. Coincidentally been as bad of a franchise as the Royals too.

[TheUrbanRoo]

Any other new news? The presentations are up online

This one. It's really dumb though.

KC architecture firm @Populous says they have identified several lots, city parks, open spaces that will provide tailgating for #Royals Fans. @kmbc

https://twitter.com/jacksonKMBC9/status ... qCVZmjpU8A

[DaveKCMO]

A Royals vote alone can’t pass, especially with their so far abysmal public engagement.

They're just getting started. Looking at ownership, expect a "New KCI"-style push that moves the needle of public opinion (which is measurable before and after).