Main & Armour - Mac Properties

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UMKC Roo wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:55 am We've essentially had this road diet the last 2 years on Main and now and the traffic hasn't ever built up to an unbearable amount. And that was when it's just been led by random cones strewn all over the place.
I would point to exactly this for any anyone concerned. Getting across main on 31st has been a little troubled with construction on bot streets over the past year but actual north-south traffic flow on Main seems to still function fine, and that's amidst a terrible game of cone slalom.
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FlippantCitizen wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:58 pm I would point to exactly this for any anyone concerned. Getting across main on 31st has been a little troubled with construction on bot streets over the past year but actual north-south traffic flow on Main seems to still function fine, and that's amidst a terrible game of cone slalom.
A lot of the traffic is moving to Broadway. I'd say Linwood is the busiest street in Midtown right now. It's crazy how traffic has grown on that street.
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Back on the subject of this project, one KCTenants guy took issue to my tweet calling stating the simple fact that, "Density creates walkability and vibrancy". His response was simply, "walkability and vibrancy for whom?" and "Mac is bad".

So, you're telling me that adding more housing and creating a node of activity that everyone can enjoy thanks to increased street level activation is a bad thing for people of all economic backgrounds? So you're telling me that this project should not be allowed to advance because Mac Properties owns a ton of old buildings that have issues as a result of them being old?

Honestly, these people are utterly clueless to the benefits of a project like this if it includes affordable housing or not. I swear, the only thing KCTenants wants is to be continually victimized as a result of their own actions so that people can feel bad for them so that they're propped up and legitimized. The cycle will only continue until these posers are ignored.

They need to back off this project, and others, and let them happen. Let developers build more housing to create competition which later leads to rent decreases in older housing stock as a result of the new stuff taking demand and interest away (those older properties would have to drop rent to remain competitive). 1 West Armour and the Crosswalks are good starts, but they're not nearly enough to meet demand
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Are they really making these changes to Main Street? I thought they were basically just adding track to the curb lane. Is there a place to see the final plans? Even if it's just the pavement marking?

A road diet would be awesome for Main St if it included wide sidewalks, bike lanes, landscaping etc. However, having the streetcars run in mixed traffic when there is only one lane each way that doesn't seem like a great idea as it will really slow down the trams for longer trips.

As far as this project. It's a big wow. Mac Properties has all by itself transformed midtown KC over the past decade.
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normalthings wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:50 pm Cordish and MAC in the 21st Century. Hall Family/Hallmark in H2 1900's?
Cordish isn’t even close. MAC probably brings a 1 Light worth of residential spaces to market every year, consistently.
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beautyfromashes wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:34 pm
normalthings wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:50 pm Cordish and MAC in the 21st Century. Hall Family/Hallmark in H2 1900's?
Cordish isn’t even close. MAC probably brings a 1 Light worth of residential spaces to market every year, consistently.
The prestige of cranes building high rises downtown has to be worth something right?
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Cratedigger wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:36 pm The prestige of cranes building high rises downtown has to be worth something right?
I'd say that plays into it as well as redeveloping several city blocks in the early 2000s that has created a hub of activity today. Like Mac in Midtown, Cordish left their mark on downtown and it's not quite done yet.
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Chris Stritzel wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 12:00 am
Cratedigger wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:36 pm The prestige of cranes building high rises downtown has to be worth something right?
I'd say that plays into it as well as redeveloping several city blocks in the early 2000s that has created a hub of activity today. Like Mac in Midtown, Cordish left their mark on downtown and it's not quite done yet.
Cranes mean absolutely nothing to me personally. It's about pure volume. People = life and downtown needs so much more of it.
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The Power and Light District was catalytic to KC's current momentum. Honestly, the city is lucky to have both MAC and Cordish so heavily invested in its future.
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daGOAT wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:00 am The Power and Light District was catalytic to KC's current momentum. Honestly, the city is lucky to have both MAC and Cordish so heavily invested in its future.
That’s how it feels to me too. Cordish and Mac both added to KCMO, in different ways. I’m happy that both of them have done the work they’ve done here
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Loose Mansion a block away for sale for $4.3 million. One West Armour should help this sale.
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In the last few weeks...highlighted by Mac's project, new Crossroads highrise, & 500 foot tower all being floated...feels like pipeline is starting to warm or we're going through a hot spot right now.
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CompassKC got a new upload that includes only letters against. Here's a summary

Old Hyde Park Neighborhood Association
- Wants more parking because 183 spaces for 450 bedrooms in an area with little parking will cause major congestion and parking issues. The scale is also too large for the neighborhood. They're asking for a continuance with the hope they can work with the developer to refine their plans.

Historic KC
- Agrees with the concerns of the Old Hyde Park Neighborhood Association

Del Hedgepath - Alps Apartments Owner
- Opposes the plan completely because it eliminates much needed parking. Says residents don't feel safe parking 3-6 blocks away and walking and so more parking is needed. Fails to see the that his own property contributes to the issue.

Chuck Zoog (property owner at 111 West 36th
- Opposed because not enough parking. Says retail spaces should have 4 spaces per 1000sf.

Tabitha Johnson (neighbor)
- Opposes the project because the tower portions are too large and overpower the neighborhood. Says there needs to be more parking because existing residents will be displaced. Says that additional traffic will be funneled to 36th and Baltimore, creating a rats nest of a mess. Wants a continuance so the developer can add more parking and shrink the scope.

Mary Farmer (neighbor)
- Organized a Change.org petition opposing the development that received over 210 signatures. Same concerns as stated (too tall, not enough parking, traffic issues) but they also want the scope to be reduced to 250 units, more parking added, they believe each bedroom will have one car, says there's no way to get to other parts of the city without a car, and says that Mac should consider adding public parking. Additionally, they want neighborhood residents to have guaranteed on street parking.

25 Neighbors
- All signed a document stating they want the total number of apartments reduced to 234 apartments, more parking added, the City Council protect their existing parking, and a residential parking program (with permits) be introduced.

Generally, that represents 222 residents/neighbors/neighboring property owners who are against this project. There are some repeats (19) who signed the petition and sent their own opposition letters in.

City Plan Staff recommends approval for the area plan amendment and recommends approval for the development plan with conditions (mostly adding a fence for a patio and submitting drawings for water and sewer lines among other minor things). Whether the Plan Commission sides with the Plan Staff recommendations over the absolutely screwy NIMBY concerns will be seen very soon.

I also find it laughable that it seems these neighbors are oblivious to the streetcar and the parking maximum set in the Main Overlay District (maximum 1:1). Even if they got more parking, it could not exceed the total number of apartments they're building. Additionally, if apartment residents are "scared" or "uncomfortable" to walk 3-6 blocks to get to their car, then maybe they shouldn't live down there.

It's an absolute cringe fest in that opposition letter section. Save yourself the cringe. Don't go and read them all.
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Chris Stritzel wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:44 pm CompassKC got a new upload that includes only letters against. Here's a summary

Old Hyde Park Neighborhood Association
- Wants more parking because 183 spaces for 450 bedrooms in an area with little parking will cause major congestion and parking issues. The scale is also too large for the neighborhood. They're asking for a continuance with the hope they can work with the developer to refine their plans.
Neighborhood associations have WAY to much sway in this town. They should be ignored completely. It's usually a dozen or less very old people that have lived in the neighborhood for a long time and want it to stay exactly. the. way. its. always. been. Time on their hands to complain. Just terrible. Mostly the same with public testimony in person. Is there an easy way to make a statement in favor of projects online?
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You can email!
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normalthings wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:58 pm You can email!
City website says you can only do that up until 5pm 6 days before the hearing. This one occurs on the 6th, so that deadline has passed. Additional comments in support or against can be made in person at the meeting on the 6th.
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The ironic part of Hyde Park's complaints is these parcels are in a totally separate neighborhood. The car dependency is pretty shameful, shouldn't we assume that a number of people living in these buildings will consider cycling or public transit? Or do those who oppose not care that they are up'ing their taxes for a streetcar extension they have zero faith in?
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beautyfromashes wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:32 pm
Chris Stritzel wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:44 pm CompassKC got a new upload that includes only letters against. Here's a summary

Old Hyde Park Neighborhood Association
- Wants more parking because 183 spaces for 450 bedrooms in an area with little parking will cause major congestion and parking issues. The scale is also too large for the neighborhood. They're asking for a continuance with the hope they can work with the developer to refine their plans.
Neighborhood associations have WAY to much sway in this town. They should be ignored completely. It's usually a dozen or less very old people that have lived in the neighborhood for a long time and want it to stay exactly. the. way. its. always. been. Time on their hands to complain. Just terrible. Mostly the same with public testimony in person. Is there an easy way to make a statement in favor of projects online?
THIS. THIS ON EVERY SINGLE LEVEL. It's become especially horrendous in KCK.

I don't think they should be disregarded completely but they should not have the power to gather 30+ people and just shut down whatever project they want to.
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SilentSpades24 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:39 pm
beautyfromashes wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:32 pm
Chris Stritzel wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:44 pm CompassKC got a new upload that includes only letters against. Here's a summary

Old Hyde Park Neighborhood Association
- Wants more parking because 183 spaces for 450 bedrooms in an area with little parking will cause major congestion and parking issues. The scale is also too large for the neighborhood. They're asking for a continuance with the hope they can work with the developer to refine their plans.
Neighborhood associations have WAY to much sway in this town. They should be ignored completely. It's usually a dozen or less very old people that have lived in the neighborhood for a long time and want it to stay exactly. the. way. its. always. been. Time on their hands to complain. Just terrible. Mostly the same with public testimony in person. Is there an easy way to make a statement in favor of projects online?
THIS. THIS ON EVERY SINGLE LEVEL. It's become especially horrendous in KCK.

I don't think they should be disregarded completely but they should not have the power to gather 30+ people and just shut down whatever project they want to.
Did this get approved?
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City Plan Commission endorses Mac's Main and Armour project rezoning unanimously; support from Mayor Lucas, City Manager Platt & C-man Bunch, substantial opposition by neighborhood over parking.
https://twitter.com/cityscenekc/status ... s2m4n6f7CQ
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