OFFICIAL - Waddell & Reed - 14th & Baltimore

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WoodDraw wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:58 pm I was fucking around with credit card rewards and realized KC had nothing worthy of mentioning.

Need to get a high end hotel.
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normalthings wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:14 pm
I think I’m saying that too but how I see that happening is demo of Phase 1 and rebuild as a multistory space.
That makes sense if it's something that is needed. But like I keep saying and others have said, I really don't think KC' convention center lacks space especially when you consider the other attached venues (municipal arena/convention floor, ballroom etc). I would think the city and convention center have would already at least have a master plan for how to expand, but maybe not.

I think the biggest problems have been the airport, which is getting improved and hopefully will lead to more flights. And hotels. Downtown KC still seems to really lack a lot of major hotel flags, especially higher tier flags. The old Hyatt tower needs to be redone and reflagged as a higher end hotel. That Sheraton is a waste of that structure. And the Westin is probably a year or so from being downgraded as well. It's not worthy of a Westin flag anymore.

A baseball stadium might be the one thing that would really get some more hotels downtown? But who knows. Cincy has a downtown stadium and lacks hotels too while Nashville does not have MLB and they have all the top tier hotels. Downtown KC probably needs more corporations than anything.
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WoodDraw wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:10 pm
normalthings wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:35 pm
WoodDraw wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:58 pm I was fucking around with credit card rewards and realized KC had nothing worthy of mentioning.

Need to get a high end hotel.
Super TIF is the price to pay!
Cordish could do it without a super tif. The rest yeah
It’s on the list!
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And if H&R hadn’t backstabbed the one developer doing things to partner with one not doing crap, we’d probably have seen plans for a hotel where the proposed strata is by now.
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DColeKC wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:52 am
WoodDraw wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:10 pm
normalthings wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:35 pm

Super TIF is the price to pay!
Cordish could do it without a super tif. The rest yeah
It’s on the list!
Ftr, cordish showed up on the list in STL. I was surprised we had nothing.
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WoodDraw wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:48 am
DColeKC wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:52 am
WoodDraw wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:10 pm

Cordish could do it without a super tif. The rest yeah
It’s on the list!
Ftr, cordish showed up on the list in STL. I was surprised we had nothing.
Would hope that Cordish does something nicer than Live by Loews in KC.
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normalthings wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:53 am
WoodDraw wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:48 am
DColeKC wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:52 am

It’s on the list!
Ftr, cordish showed up on the list in STL. I was surprised we had nothing.
Would hope that Cordish does something nicer than Live by Loews in KC.
Stl had a four seasons and ritz, and then a curio by Hilton and a live by Loews. The first two considered high premium, the next consider premium.

Kc had zero
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WoodDraw wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:01 am
normalthings wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:53 am
WoodDraw wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:48 am

Ftr, cordish showed up on the list in STL. I was surprised we had nothing.
Would hope that Cordish does something nicer than Live by Loews in KC.
Stl had a four seasons and ritz, and then a curio by Hilton and a live by Loews. The first two considered high premium, the next consider premium.

Kc had zero
Like your rewards points list? Loews KC is by all accounts nicer than Live by Loews STL. Curio I assume is the Union Station location which is exceeded by multiple KC hotels in quality.

Tend to think Four Seasons is the best fit of the 5-star brands for KC.
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normalthings wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:06 am
WoodDraw wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:01 am
normalthings wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:53 am
Would hope that Cordish does something nicer than Live by Loews in KC.
Stl had a four seasons and ritz, and then a curio by Hilton and a live by Loews. The first two considered high premium, the next consider premium.

Kc had zero
Like your rewards points list? Loews KC is by all accounts nicer than Live by Loews STL. Curio I assume is the Union Station location which is exceeded by multiple KC hotels in quality.

I absolutely think KC needs more 5 star and 4 star hotels.
Yeah, this is through amex. I never book in KC or stl so no idea on them.

But business travelers do. So it's important. (You and I agree)
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Also, not rewards. Just asking amex to book me things. I was just playing around

I was looking at the ones they give status to though

Again, just playing around.
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normalthings wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:06 am
WoodDraw wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:01 am
normalthings wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:53 am
Would hope that Cordish does something nicer than Live by Loews in KC.
Stl had a four seasons and ritz, and then a curio by Hilton and a live by Loews. The first two considered high premium, the next consider premium.

Kc had zero
Like your rewards points list? Loews KC is by all accounts nicer than Live by Loews STL. Curio I assume is the Union Station location which is exceeded by multiple KC hotels in quality.

Tend to think Four Seasons is the best fit of the 5-star brands for KC.
Have you been to the STL live by Loews or stayed there? It’s the nicest hotel in downtown STL at the moment.

I like the splash of a Four Seasons or similar but if we ended up with a Live By Loews, it would instantly be one of the nicest options downtown KC has to offer.
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DColeKC wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:10 am
normalthings wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:06 am
WoodDraw wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:01 am

Stl had a four seasons and ritz, and then a curio by Hilton and a live by Loews. The first two considered high premium, the next consider premium.

Kc had zero
Like your rewards points list? Loews KC is by all accounts nicer than Live by Loews STL. Curio I assume is the Union Station location which is exceeded by multiple KC hotels in quality.

Tend to think Four Seasons is the best fit of the 5-star brands for KC.
Have you been to the STL live by Loews or stayed there? It’s the nicest hotel in downtown STL at the moment.

I like the splash of a Four Seasons or similar but if we ended up with a Live By Loews, it would instantly be one of the nicest options downtown KC has to offer.
Yes, multiple times.
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normalthings wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:35 am
DColeKC wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:10 am
normalthings wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:06 am

Like your rewards points list? Loews KC is by all accounts nicer than Live by Loews STL. Curio I assume is the Union Station location which is exceeded by multiple KC hotels in quality.

Tend to think Four Seasons is the best fit of the 5-star brands for KC.
Have you been to the STL live by Loews or stayed there? It’s the nicest hotel in downtown STL at the moment.

I like the splash of a Four Seasons or similar but if we ended up with a Live By Loews, it would instantly be one of the nicest options downtown KC has to offer.
Yes, multiple times.
Live by Loews is certainly a fine property -- one that would probably fall into the top 5 within the Downtown KC submarket based on the current inventory. But when clients (convention/business/etc.) are seeking luxury properties for themselves or their colleagues, a property such as Live doesn't fit the bill. KC needs a true, well-known 300-400 room luxury brand added to the mix -- something along the lines of Four Seasons, JW, Conrad, W, Grand Hyatt, etc.
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We’re getting pretty off subject here (my fault!), but I think also having a better mix of flags would be helpful.

But yes, need a 5 star. I’d describe the hotels downtown as connecting or boutique, but not really any luxury high end.
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Having a event or wedding at the top of a brand new 5-star hotel overlooking downtown KC would be cool. I also agree a major 5 star brand would be more ideal, just setting expectations because if it ends up being a Live! hotel, it will still be a great higher end addition to downtown.
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The problem is we need incentives to make it happen and some people lose their minds over that.

I know alot of people don’t like Hotel Bravo but I wish we had it.
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UMKC Roo wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:48 pm The problem is we need incentives to make it happen and some people lose their minds over that.

I know alot of people don’t like Hotel Bravo but I wish we had it.
Iirc, it would be opening in a few months if it had gone as planned.

Four Seasons STL is only 200 rooms. Their Ritz is 300+ iirc but far from downtown.
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