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What is the marker Outlook for KC in 10 years anyway? Are we supposed to expand, decrease or what?
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Hard to imaging Carlos Slim comes to the league they are going to tell him to fuck off for Patrick Mahomes (maybe in 10 years) & KC.
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GRID wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:32 am I don't see how you can ignore the MLS. They directly compete for the same entertainment dollars. What's the difference between 19,000 people at the soccer stadium vs 19,000 people at Kauffman stadium or 19,000 people at a NHL or NBA game downtown?
MLS ~17 home matches per season = 323,000 people downtown
MLB ~80 home games per season = 1,520,000 people downtown
NBA/NHL ~40 home games per season = 760,000 people downtown

I prefer MLS over any of the other leagues but there really is no comparison in terms of the spending potential.
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AlkaliAxel wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:12 am
dukuboy1 wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:32 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:08 pm

I'll say this again for tenth time- we do not need a local ownership group to bring a team here. We just need Mahomes to lead it & start it and he will attract investors from everywhere. The hardest part of getting a team here will be finding a small market team up for sale that we can move.
I’ll say it for the 11th time, it’s a pipe dream with a scenario you’ve put in place that is not really obtainable. Mahomes is not a magic bullet to financial development. Investors do not salivate to Pat ringing the bell like Pavlovian dogs. I appreciate your passion & optimism. I would love an NBA team and if KC grows into a market to sustain a 3rd major pro franchise (I still consider MLS to be fringe, but gaining every day) then the NBA would be my preference rather than NHL. If a team decides to relocate we have a shot. I’d put it 30% of us getting a relocated team. New expansion team is out at 5%
I’m gonna have to just disagree with you there. Guys like Mahomes, Lebron, Magic Johnson, Alex Rodriguez are the “magic bullet” types that are leading almost every new sports franchise purchase.

A-Rod bought the T-Wolves, Michael Jordan bought the Hornets, Magic led the Dodgers group, Lebron is trying to get a team to Vegas right now, etc. It’s very common. I’d be more shocked in 8-12 years if Mahomes wasn’t involved in buying a sports franchise.
No worries, and agree to disagree for sure. There are examples of such super star players getting involved in the business/ownership side of sports. Could something like this happen after Mahomes retires? Sure. A lot of it depends on how his career pans out and assuming he keeps himself at the very top of the game and thus top of the media world we live in. We shall see what Mahomes appetite is for pro sports ownership based on his investment now in the Royals & Current. Plus I'm not sure what a guy like Mahomes end game is when it comes to his life after football. Does he stay around KC, or move on? He loves KC now and is deeply involved in the community for sure. I do not see him leaving and him wanting to remain a fixture but you never know. I just look at that as a answer to getting an NBA franchise with a lot more questions than the simple "Mahomes" is the key. He's a factor for sure. Regardless though, I hope you are right or the combination of our 2 thoughts is right and KC gets a NBA Team. Bottom line, I want an NBA franchise in KC. How we get it is somewhat immaterial to me as I will be buying tickets to games, watching on TV, buying merchandise, etc. as a fan of the team.
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kcjak wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:04 am
GRID wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:32 am I don't see how you can ignore the MLS. They directly compete for the same entertainment dollars. What's the difference between 19,000 people at the soccer stadium vs 19,000 people at Kauffman stadium or 19,000 people at a NHL or NBA game downtown?
MLS ~17 home matches per season = 323,000 people downtown
MLB ~80 home games per season = 1,520,000 people downtown
NBA/NHL ~40 home games per season = 760,000 people downtown

I prefer MLS over any of the other leagues but there really is no comparison in terms of the spending potential.
I reject these numbers, but you also have to look at who owns the facility and makes money off of it and who pays for it.

Especially hosting other events.
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WoodDraw wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:36 am
kcjak wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:04 am
GRID wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:32 am I don't see how you can ignore the MLS. They directly compete for the same entertainment dollars. What's the difference between 19,000 people at the soccer stadium vs 19,000 people at Kauffman stadium or 19,000 people at a NHL or NBA game downtown?
MLS ~17 home matches per season = 323,000 people downtown
MLB ~80 home games per season = 1,520,000 people downtown
NBA/NHL ~40 home games per season = 760,000 people downtown

I prefer MLS over any of the other leagues but there really is no comparison in terms of the spending potential.
I reject these numbers, but you also have to look at who owns the facility and makes money off of it and who pays for it.

Especially hosting other events.
Hmmm not sure how one rejects numbers like this - if you have more games/matches in Sport A than Sport B you would see more people in a given location for Sport A. I thought we were talking about $ spent not just inside a sporting venue but in a hypothetical surrounding area.
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"NBA/NHL ~40 home games per season = 760,000 people downtown"

So you must be assuming a sellout for each and every game.
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"A-Rod bought the T-Wolves"

A-Rod and his partner bought the T-Wolves for $1.5B, each being a 50/50 partner. Can you imagine how much a team might cost 10 years from now. Do you think Mahomes could fork over $750M in ten years?
The time to try and secure a NBA team is now. By that I mean getting an ownership team together and working with the city and T-Mobile management group on what a lease would look like. That way the city is ready to strike if and when a team becomes available.
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WoodDraw wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:36 am
I reject these numbers, but you also have to look at who owns the facility and makes money off of it and who pays for it.

Especially hosting other events.
Especially true if it is a concert. T-Mobile management makes more money off of a concert than what a NBA team would bring in for a game, much more. Simple reason being the sports team would demand much of what the management company brings in not just for their games but also suites and advertising revenues and likely concessions. That is if the team doesn't demand total control of the arena.
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dukuboy1 wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:14 am Plus I'm not sure what a guy like Mahomes end game is when it comes to his life after football. Does he stay around KC, or move on? He loves KC now and is deeply involved in the community for sure.
Mahomes said in an interview with the Star last year that getting an NBA team here is in the plans of something he wants to do. He is also setting down his permanent roots in KC.
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aknowledgeableperson wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:14 pm "A-Rod bought the T-Wolves"

A-Rod and his partner bought the T-Wolves for $1.5B, each being a 50/50 partner. Can you imagine how much a team might cost 10 years from now. Do you think Mahomes could fork over $750M in ten years?
The time to try and secure a NBA team is now. By that I mean getting an ownership team together and working with the city and T-Mobile management group on what a lease would look like. That way the city is ready to strike if and when a team becomes available.
It's too soon for us to do that because Mahomes still needs to build up his wealth empire. I think it's very possible Mahomes would fork over that much money because investing in a sports franchise is one of the most sure-fire ways to get returns on your investment. He also doesn't necessarily have to be 50% or more, he just needs to be the face of the group.
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AlkaliAxel wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:09 pm
dukuboy1 wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:14 am Plus I'm not sure what a guy like Mahomes end game is when it comes to his life after football. Does he stay around KC, or move on? He loves KC now and is deeply involved in the community for sure.
Mahomes said in an interview with the Star last year that getting an NBA team here is in the plans of something he wants to do. He is also setting down his permanent roots in KC.
He is still a young man filled with hopes, dreams, and desires. However a lot can happen during that ten year, or longer, period that can change those hopes, dreams, and desires. Placing your bets on Mahomes at this point in time is a long shot.
As I wrote, the time to prepare in now and be ready if or when a team becomes available. To wait till an announcement that a team is willing to be sold or moved may just be too late. It takes time to get a group together and an arena committed. You would want your offer/proposal to be the first one out there to set the standard.
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Suns/Mercury for sale.
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mgsports wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:57 pm Suns/Mercury for sale.
Was hoping someone locally would make a run at the Mercury since NWSL has done so well & is growing here.
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KCBJ ran article today on new billionaire moving to town. Woman to be in charge of Leads Bank, tech & fintech guru. Maybe she has friends that want to help her get an NBA & WBNA to town 🤷🏼‍♂️
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dukuboy1 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:44 am KCBJ ran article today on new billionaire moving to town. Woman to be in charge of Leads Bank, tech & fintech guru. Maybe she has friends that want to help her get an NBA & WBNA to town 🤷🏼‍♂️
The same thought crossed my mind, although I'm not putting any stock in it. Mahomes & lady could be a force one day for it.

I do think it's been undersold that a billionaire chose to move here. I don't think that happens if this is 2003.
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UMKC Roo wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:35 pm
mgsports wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:57 pm Suns/Mercury for sale.
Was hoping someone locally would make a run at the Mercury since NWSL has done so well & is growing here.
A WNBA team feels like the last thing we need. Where would they play? It wouldn’t be at t-mobile.

Can’t imagine the Suns are leaving the Phoenix market.
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Hy-Vee Arena. Some play in NBA area's because Sparks,Liberty and so on.
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Why can't they play at municipal?
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Yeah, they are not expected to relocate. Just an issue with the owner making issues for himself time after time, this was long overdue.
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