12th and Broadway site: RFP for mixed use

[kcjak]

This location may not be the 'best' but any infill with residential in the central business district (or adjacent) is needed IMO. Why not use less-than-desirable locations like 12th/Broadway to help alleviate the lack (or perception thereof) of affordable housing and use the more prime locations for market-rate units that can charge higher rents?

[GRID]

I think the location is fine. It's on the edge of a large residential district yet closer to Downtown's cultural attractions and retail.

I was just wondering what makes this project more enticing to developers vs them developing any other empty lot or dusting off old plans that have never been built. And you can't tell me that land downtown isn't easily available. I'm sure much is not in "friendly hands", but 80% of downtown KC is underdeveloped so developers can get property if they want it.

Anyway, I hope this goes through. Tens stories seems kind of small for a mixed use residential/office building on that lot though.

[normalthings]

I think the location is fine. It's on the edge of a large residential district yet closer to Downtown's cultural attractions and retail.

I was just wondering what makes this project more enticing to developers vs them developing any other empty lot or dusting off old plans that have never been built. And you can't tell me that land downtown isn't easily available. I'm sure much is not in "friendly hands", but 80% of downtown KC is underdeveloped so developers can get property if they want it.

Anyway, I hope this goes through. Tens stories seems kind of small for a mixed use residential/office building on that lot though.

Tower Prop, Helzeberg, Vantrust, Blue Cross, are all non starters on selling.

[daGOAT]

This site is pretty amazing actually. Quality Hill, specifically on W 12th St x Broadway Blvd only will benefit from this! Who knows maybe there will be enough of a population base to convince someone to re-open the corner store at W 11th x Broadway.

[AlkaliAxel]

I've come around on this site- for the sole reason that it adds something decent looking to that God-awful looking area behind the convention center. It is like death when you are back there. Mostly because of the highway and surface lots.

[beautyfromashes]

My response to the RFP: Instead of trying to make BAP a park again and killing any real chance at adding population there, turn the entire rooftop of the convention center into a giant park. Build apartments on the 12th and Broadway site with views and connection directly to the park. The same for BAP with parking beneath. The park itself probably pays for itself with decreased utility costs at the convention center due to green roof.

[normalthings]

My response to the RFP: Instead of trying to make BAP a park again and killing any real chance at adding population there, turn the entire rooftop of the convention center into a giant park. Build apartments on the 12th and Broadway site with views and connection directly to the park. The same for BAP with parking beneath. The park itself probably pays for itself with decreased utility costs at the convention center due to green roof.

I am 100% on-board with rebuilding the convention center or at least the original phase. Glass walls, modern design, etc.

However, as I understand we want column free space and a rooftop park is going to need a lot of columns.

[beautyfromashes]

I am 100% on-board with rebuilding the convention center or at least the original phase. Glass walls, modern design, etc.

However, as I understand we want column free space and a rooftop park is going to need a lot of columns.

Why would that be? It’s a couple inches of dirt and grass at the least and add the weight of tree planters and path stone at the worst? Surely the roof would hold that as is or we could put stronger cabling instead of columned support.

[shinatoo]

I am 100% on-board with rebuilding the convention center or at least the original phase. Glass walls, modern design, etc.

However, as I understand we want column free space and a rooftop park is going to need a lot of columns.

Why would that be? It’s a couple inches of dirt and grass at the least and add the weight of tree planters and path stone at the worst? Surely the roof would hold that as is or we could put stronger cabling instead of columned support.

People are heavy, rain is heavy, and would be retained in soil. The roof is probably rated to hold up to heavy snowfall but not a park AND heavy snowfall. Have to plan for the worst-case scenario if you don't want a repeat of the Kemper collapse.

But the location and architecture of our convention center are top of the list for worst facilities in our city. I would rebuild it in the east village or out at TSC. Then you have a reason to develop that area and add light rail.

[beautyfromashes]

I’d bet you could land a plane on the top of the building no problem. Union-made with heavy steel.

[Anthony_Hugo98]

I am 100% on-board with rebuilding the convention center or at least the original phase. Glass walls, modern design, etc.

However, as I understand we want column free space and a rooftop park is going to need a lot of columns.

Why would that be? It’s a couple inches of dirt and grass at the least and add the weight of tree planters and path stone at the worst? Surely the roof would hold that as is or we could put stronger cabling instead of columned support.

People are heavy, rain is heavy, and would be retained in soil. The roof is probably rated to hold up to heavy snowfall but not a park AND heavy snowfall. Have to plan for the worst-case scenario if you don't want a repeat of the Kemper collapse.

But the location and architecture of our convention center are top of the list for worst facilities in our city. I would rebuild it in the east village or out at TSC. Then you have a reason to develop that area and add light rail.

Thoroughly disagree with this take

[AlkaliAxel]

Why would that be? It’s a couple inches of dirt and grass at the least and add the weight of tree planters and path stone at the worst? Surely the roof would hold that as is or we could put stronger cabling instead of columned support.

People are heavy, rain is heavy, and would be retained in soil. The roof is probably rated to hold up to heavy snowfall but not a park AND heavy snowfall. Have to plan for the worst-case scenario if you don't want a repeat of the Kemper collapse.

But the location and architecture of our convention center are top of the list for worst facilities in our city. I would rebuild it in the east village or out at TSC. Then you have a reason to develop that area and add light rail.

Thoroughly disagree with this take

Yeah agreed. But especially the toxic take about TSC there. Almost vomited.

[normalthings]

CC is the biggest business in downtown behind the Feds

[Chris Stritzel]

Because I know developers and architects look at this forum for feedback and to get ideas, what sorts of things would you like to see included in a response to an RFP here? I know this is sort of limited since you can’t build a hotel, height limited, and you only have about 1 acre of buildable space, but dream on.

I’ll start - make the ground floor welcoming on most, or the entirety, of Broadway to make up for the blank wall of the convention center across the street. Try to reduce the presence of a parking podium. Try and make the design “friendly”. And also, no one should try to replicate Brinshore’s building at Barney Allis Plaza. While that’s an ideal size in more than one way, the design is more suitable for that side of downtown and it’s not that friendly of a design.

[FangKC]

The RFP shows two separate parcels. The question then is should it be developed as two separate projects, or one large one?

If Kansas City Southern/Canadian were to be involved, at least with the more southern parcel, it would also likely mean any development could be built all the way south to 13th Street and over the entrance to KCS's parking garage.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0992475 ... a=!3m1!1e3

[GRID]

Because I know developers and architects look at this forum for feedback and to get ideas, what sorts of things would you like to see included in a response to an RFP here? I know this is sort of limited since you can’t build a hotel, height limited, and you only have about 1 acre of buildable space, but dream on.

I’ll start - make the ground floor welcoming on most, or the entirety, of Broadway to make up for the blank wall of the convention center across the street. Try to reduce the presence of a parking podium. Try and make the design “friendly”. And also, no one should try to replicate Brinshore’s building at Barney Allis Plaza. While that’s an ideal size in more than one way, the design is more suitable for that side of downtown and it’s not that friendly of a design.

What is the height limit?

[FangKC]

What is the height limit?

The city has recently issued an RFP to develop two surface lots on 12th and Broadway.

Criteria
- Up to 130 ft tall
- Ideally walkable/transit friendly
- Floor area ratio around 10.
- Maximum parking 0.9 for every residential unit

The building sqft could be around 500k/516k

For office it must result in at least 33% new jobs
For residential, should result in around 20% of units set aside for affordable housing or 60% of median income.

Link to article
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... 0#cxrecs_s

[TheLastGentleman]

The RFP shows two separate parcels. The question then is should it be developed as two separate projects, or one large one?

The more buildings we can fit on a site, the better. My vote is two separate projects.

[Cratedigger]

The RFP shows two separate parcels. The question then is should it be developed as two separate projects, or one large one?

The more buildings we can fit on a site, the better. My vote is two separate projects.

Why is that?

[TheLastGentleman]

The RFP shows two separate parcels. The question then is should it be developed as two separate projects, or one large one?

The more buildings we can fit on a site, the better. My vote is two separate projects.

Why is that?

It produces a varied streetscape that has more opportunity to evolve piecemeal instead of being one single large development that has to change all at once. Strong Towns calls this "fine grained" vs "course grained" urbanism in the article "How to Fight Those "Boxy Buildings". It means a variety of building conditions, cost, ownership, ect, can exist closely together, which makes for lively and dynamic blocks and streets

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/202 ... -buildings



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