Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Discuss items in the urban core outside of Downtown as described above. Everything in the core including the east side (18th & Vine area), Northeast, Plaza, Westport, Brookside, Valentine, Waldo, 39th street, & the entire midtown area.
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Losing money and debt gets more expensive by the month.
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earthling wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:18 pm Hopefully a management change improves things but the bigger issue remains that the parent companies are approaching bankruptcy territory. The Plaza change needed is healthier ownership, not just local management.

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Absolutely, getting this out of the hands of a standard mall operator should be a priority. Could a management group be established for it that actually points it in the right direction if it isn’t local? I feel like the key factor in driving the plaza to success would be local entities that have a vested interest in it succeeding.
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Yeah Simon is probably big enough to come through their troubles but not strong enough to invest into what The Plaza deserves. They'll probably be limping for a while even if never reaching bankruptcy. KC Star (functionally) went downhill thanks to a weak parent. The Plaza probably heading into same direction.

Don't know if local players could also invest into what Plaza deserves. A healthy national player is probably best.
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earthling wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:21 pm Yeah Simon is probably big enough to come through their troubles but not strong enough to invest into what The Plaza deserves. They'll probably be limping for a while even if never reaching bankruptcy. KC Star (functionally) went downhill thanks to a weak parent. The Plaza probably heading into same direction.
Could something along the lines of what the royals ownership group did work for the plaza? Or is that a “too many chefs in the kitchen” type issue? I’d imagine there’s enough large money floating around the metro to put some type of ownership group together.
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I've edited post probably while you were posting...

Don't know if local players could also invest into what Plaza deserves. A healthy national player is probably best.

But maybe if Plaza broken into pieces for local players? It's something to discuss as long as there's a strong biz association that is inline with some form of shared integrity.
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430 Nichols. Capital One Cafe
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normalthings wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:21 pm 430 Nichols. Capital One Cafe
What?
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AlkaliAxel wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:29 pm
normalthings wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:21 pm 430 Nichols. Capital One Cafe
What?
A Capital One Cafe location is going in at 430 Nichols.

That's how I read it.
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What an interesting concept. I am intrigued to see if this does well
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Here is a Capital One Cafe in Detroit.

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It’s Block driving the lawsuit
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It looks like there's a permit for Claire's to open at 231 W. 47th, the current home of 3DHQ.
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msmith011 wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:22 am It looks like there's a permit for Claire's to open at 231 W. 47th, the current home of 3DHQ.
Claire’s. Perfect. Lol.
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White House Black Market has closed.
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Anyone have designs for the renovation that appears to be happening on the American Century towers? It appears they have torn out the first couple levels of both towers and are making them more open.
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Hahaha. The Plaza just needs a cheap Axe Throwing joint and a Payday Loans and the transformation to Metcalf South will be complete. Walked it this past weekend and it's downright depressing.
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The Plaza is still a very nice area. It needs more residents.
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There is dense residential every direction?
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