Nah, do it right. You want want a bland stadium. I enjoy going to nationals games and it's a very urban area now, but it's one of the most bland and forgettable stadiums in MLB. KC has already built an iconic stadium unique to KC with the fountains, they can the theme going.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:38 pmTbh with you as long as we get the jail site, especially with highrise curling the highway (between stadium & the highway) then I could care less what they do with stadium. I just didn't want stuff like build a giant scoreboard to slow down construction time.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:41 pm But grid is right the scoreboard isn't breaking the budget. That said that's a signature of Kauffman now I don't think the same thing is needed at a new stadium.
If we land the jail site and get that high rise up towards the highway…then that means you’d be seeing high-rise from literally all angles. Drooling thinking about it.
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The cost of the scoreboard and any other advertising panels would likely be paid for by advertising revenues.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:31 pm I’m sure we’ll keep alot of the fountains. Mainly I don’t think you’re getting a big scoreboard, “Little K”, etc…mostly due to cost. And no need for that sort of thing when you’re downtown.
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Jail site: wouldn't they have to build the new jail before they could tear the old one down and start preping the site.
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So if they build the stadium on the site of the Jackson County jail, what else will they tear down? I can see the Missouri state office building getting torn down, that's long overdue for a replacement. But that still leaves the Holiday Inn and the At&t long lines. That would be a good spot for a stadium if it will fit. That would leave the EV open for a full blown neighborhood to develop. Would the stadium be partially over 670 or something? You could at least build some sparking over the interstate like they have done with the stadium in Minneapolis.
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No way long lines is coming down. Isn't it still full of gear. If not redevelop it as part of the stadium.GRID wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:23 pm So if they build the stadium on the site of the Jackson County jail, what else will they tear down? I can see the Missouri state office building getting torn down, that's long overdue for a replacement. But that still leaves the Holiday Inn and the At&t long lines. That would be a good spot for a stadium if it will fit. That would leave the EV open for a full blown neighborhood to develop.
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I’m gonna keep pushing the jail site idea. I drew up a couple amateur renderings today that I’ll try to post here so people can see what it might be able to be for the south loop cap & East Village.
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That whole side yard seems silly to me but hope I'm wrong.GRID wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:23 pmThe inside art is fine, I just don't think anybody will even see the fountain placed in the side courtyard. Maybe it will be more integrated than I'm thinking.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:14 pmAgreed. Leave crownvision behind..GRID wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:37 pm
I think building the same scoreboard would make the new stadium look cheesy and dumb. It won't fit with a more urban stadium which is probably what AlkaliAxel is thinking. It can and likely will be a large one, but it doesn't have to be the same shape etc. I'm sure they can design new scoreboard using the crown theme without building another monstrosity scoreboard that overpowers the stadium.
The fountains on the other hand just have to be part of the new stadium. They don't have to be the same as Kauffman, but you have to incorporate fountains into the stadium. And I'm not talking about tossing a fountain onto the side of the stadium just to say they did something like the new KCI terminal is doing. I mean an impressive fountain incorporated into the outfield somehow.
And kci main art piece at the center of the airport is an homage to fountains. It doesn't have to be wet to reflect our city of fountains history
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Grid to answer your question, no I don’t think stadium will have to go over the 670. In fact, remember that green leafy hotel from the Pendulum renderings? I think we can something like curl around the highway, between the highway and the stadium.
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Yes I’m with you on this except for one more thing- slip a narrow highrise between stadium and the highway. Example of it would be that leafy tower on the Pendulum rendering.
Keep the other building you have up currently too.
That way, from all angles, it’s surrounded by buildings. That’s my one and only request here.
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A stadium will 100% fit there and it’s an excellent location.
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Not really. In the stadium, arena and convention world we call these digital assets. Yes, they are a source of revenue but even for good mlb teams, it takes years to break even on the investment. Crown Vision at the K for example is a 5 million dollar or more expense.aknowledgeableperson wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:51 pmThe cost of the scoreboard and any other advertising panels would likely be paid for by advertising revenues.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:31 pm I’m sure we’ll keep alot of the fountains. Mainly I don’t think you’re getting a big scoreboard, “Little K”, etc…mostly due to cost. And no need for that sort of thing when you’re downtown.
They’re not only used for advertising or else they wouldn’t make sense. The ability to use them in a mixed method of advertising and fan engagement, information and entertainment make them worth the expense.
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If they were to choose that spot they would actually have to start working on traffic detour signage and come up with a plan so that the buses wouldn't have an even further detour (with a hypothetical event at T-Mobile at the same time).
Even without a T-Mobile event, I could see them wanting to close Grand and Oak.
Even without a T-Mobile event, I could see them wanting to close Grand and Oak.
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This is only a few blocks from the EV location. Wouldn't that be infinitely easier and, in the end, not make much of a difference? Put something else in the old jail and SOB sight. It will be a more desirable location once the stadium is a couple hundred yards away.
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I also think that spot could have some pedestrian challenges from the South and East
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There's no way KC could pull that off. State building, jail and historic church demoed before construction and that tight location.... 1 in a billion chance.
There's no reason why this space would be easier to make work than Washington Square Park. The new stadium could be elevated from the street to fit there. No demos, the land is ready now and the streetcar is right there with highway access from all directions. A new Royals stadium does not need P&L right next to it. P&L will still benefit with younger fans that are used to walking and riding the streetcar while suburbanites would much rather be nearer to Crown Center.
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There's no reason why this space would be easier to make work than Washington Square Park. The new stadium could be elevated from the street to fit there. No demos, the land is ready now and the streetcar is right there with highway access from all directions. A new Royals stadium does not need P&L right next to it. P&L will still benefit with younger fans that are used to walking and riding the streetcar while suburbanites would much rather be nearer to Crown Center.
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Yeah, I still think Washington Sq Park is by far the best spot. I mean it's central to everything.