West Bottoms Redevelopment

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If we’re going to rebuild the viaduct, I’d rather see the connection be part of North Loop removal continuing through to Independence Ave. Probably easier to connect at a lower grade than the highest part of the bluff at 12th.
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beautyfromashes wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:47 am If we’re going to rebuild the viaduct, I’d rather see the connection be part of North Loop removal continuing through to Independence Ave. Probably easier to connect at a lower grade than the highest part of the bluff at 12th.
Yes!!!
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beautyfromashes wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:47 am If we’re going to rebuild the viaduct, I’d rather see the connection be part of North Loop removal continuing through to Independence Ave. Probably easier to connect at a lower grade than the highest part of the bluff at 12th.
I’m not sure what that would solve. The reason the 12 st viaduct is at that point, as I understand it, is because it is the most geographically isolated point from the west bottoms. That’s why it’s an important connection, it’s scaling a 200ft bluff
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TheLastGentleman wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:46 am
beautyfromashes wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:47 am If we’re going to rebuild the viaduct, I’d rather see the connection be part of North Loop removal continuing through to Independence Ave. Probably easier to connect at a lower grade than the highest part of the bluff at 12th.
I’m not sure what that would solve. The reason the 12 st viaduct is at that point, as I understand it, is because it is the most geographically isolated point from the west bottoms. That’s why it’s an important connection, it’s scaling a 200ft bluff
But, if you're going to rebuild, why choose the most difficult spot to do it? Run the line up into the trench of North Loop with an exit at Main and escalator up to the streetcar stop. Could even make it a subway where North Loop is and build on top of it.
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I'd like to see the 12th St. Viaduct left, but of course rehabbed. Perhaps the lower section could serve new unique ideas with it's connection to Beardsley road. But for the street car I'd like to see a new unique connection to the West Bottoms. There are really only 3 ways to get down there from the East and downtown. We need to enhance what we have and maybe look to add. Street car coming out of River Market or Northloop end of downtown would be great. Leave 12th St as a pedestrian/auto bridge to serve the area. Maybe even add a new walking/cycling bridge from downtown as well.
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dukuboy1 wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:07 pm I'd like to see the 12th St. Viaduct left, but of course rehabbed. Perhaps the lower section could serve new unique ideas with it's connection to Beardsley road. But for the street car I'd like to see a new unique connection to the West Bottoms. There are really only 3 ways to get down there from the East and downtown. We need to enhance what we have and maybe look to add. Street car coming out of River Market or Northloop end of downtown would be great. Leave 12th St as a pedestrian/auto bridge to serve the area. Maybe even add a new walking/cycling bridge from downtown as well.
Regardless of if it has the streetcar or not, 12th St viaduct should be saved. Not only is it a unique area landmark, last I heard, Beardsley was the proposed West Side of the Greenline. Lots of opportunity to use the lower section to connect the Greenline to this new WB development.
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Agree about updating 12th st bridge if possible rather than replace.

Really need to get an idea of what density would be required before seriously talking about TDD for WB streetcar. Dave didn't seem to indicate it would be very realistic through WB but now with the two new ownerships likely to invest significantly might be doable. Not sure.

If KCK wants to pay for most of gondola, go for it. Otherwise a MAX line with a couple level boarding 'stations' would suffice well and probably reasonable level of service if running often enough. A WB/DTKC circulator also might be easier to justify when density builds up enough.
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Agreed, curious to see what the density will look like but regardless excited for the area to see a big impact of more residents and amenities and creating a new unique neighborhood destination for the city.
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earthling wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:23 pm Agree about updating 12th st bridge if possible rather than replace.

Really need to get an idea of what density would be required before seriously talking about TDD for WB streetcar. Dave didn't seem to indicate it would be very realistic through WB but now with the two new ownerships likely to invest significantly might be doable. Not sure.

If KCK wants to pay for most of gondola, go for it. Otherwise a MAX line with a couple level boarding 'stations' would suffice well and probably reasonable level of service if running often enough. A WB/DTKC circulator also might be easier to justify when density builds up enough.
It would also be an easier sell to get a TDD (if regional funding can’t be drawn from) if you include the EB 12th street into it, you’ll have connection into the heart of DT from historically disconnected neighborhoods, as well as huge investment potential that would help contribute to future funding of the line. A solid spine for E-W would be established as well, and sew together some of the flanks of the city that currently feel incredibly isolated
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A BRT route from 31st and Van Brunt to 7th and State via 12th Street E-W would be a great option.
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daGOAT wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:01 pm A BRT route from 31st and Van Brunt to 7th and State via 12th Street E-W would be a great option.
Could definitely work, headways likely could be near SC if routing is done right, and stop quality could easily be that of SC. Any options would be appreciated to improve access
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The 12th Street Viaduct was open for use in 1915 and was refurbished in 2006. It has historic significance as it is among the first large-scale concrete bridges constructed in the United States. It is also among the oldest large span bridges still in daily usage. Examples of two older large span bridges still in usage are the Brooklyn Bridge in New York City, and the Smithfield Street Bridge in Pittsburgh, PA both completed in 1883. The Waterford Bridge over the Hudson River was completed in 1909. There are older bridges in the USA but they are small bridges.
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