and could Austin support any team that doesn't have Bevo stars?AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:09 pmMy guess is they don't get teams because Dallas & Houston make sure it doesn't happen.
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Same argument as the “can kc support an nba team because of KU”ericwyner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:27 pmand could Austin support any team that doesn't have Bevo stars?AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:09 pmMy guess is they don't get teams because Dallas & Houston make sure it doesn't happen.
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Or competitive mizzou or kstate teams?freedog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:17 pmSame argument as the “can kc support an nba team because of KU”ericwyner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:27 pmand could Austin support any team that doesn't have Bevo stars?AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:09 pm
My guess is they don't get teams because Dallas & Houston make sure it doesn't happen.
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KU won the national title and only got the next day of local sports radio attention before shifting back to pro-sports. College sports doesn't have anything on any pro-sports.
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in some places with pro teams, the local/regional college programs are bigger. the sports radio in Austin talks about UT football all yearAlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:17 pm KU won the national title and only got the next day of local sports radio attention before shifting back to pro-sports. College sports doesn't have anything on any pro-sports.
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I'd say KC was like that pre-2014 because the pro-teams were terrible and the college teams were good. But once the Royals & Chiefs started winning championships, college teams became worthless in KC. Tbf I think most people would agree with that.ericwyner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:06 pmin some places with pro teams, the local/regional college programs are bigger. the sports radio in Austin talks about UT football all yearAlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:17 pm KU won the national title and only got the next day of local sports radio attention before shifting back to pro-sports. College sports doesn't have anything on any pro-sports.
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AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:10 pm Cleveland Browns are now eyeing a $1 billion new stadium with significant taxpayer money. Also will have mixed use development.
https://twitter.com/clevelanddotcom/sta ... ZeLMEndM9g
So the Browns, Bills, Commanders, Titans are all pushing to quickly open new stadiums now. We’re a bigger than 3 of those 4 metros. We also have a real incentive (WC2026) to get moving quickly. I don’t understand why can’t we just atleast announce the Royals or Chiefs new stadium plans and get going if Cleveland, Buffalo & Nashville are able to.
The fact that Cleveland isn’t just getting destroyed by society over signing Watson to a record deal blows my mind.
What’s the deal? Why are they and Watson getting a pass? Now they’re floating a billion dollar stadium off a sexual predators back.
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And Kareem Hunt. It really baffles me too.DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:50 amAlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:10 pm Cleveland Browns are now eyeing a $1 billion new stadium with significant taxpayer money. Also will have mixed use development.
https://twitter.com/clevelanddotcom/sta ... ZeLMEndM9g
So the Browns, Bills, Commanders, Titans are all pushing to quickly open new stadiums now. We’re a bigger than 3 of those 4 metros. We also have a real incentive (WC2026) to get moving quickly. I don’t understand why can’t we just atleast announce the Royals or Chiefs new stadium plans and get going if Cleveland, Buffalo & Nashville are able to.
The fact that Cleveland isn’t just getting destroyed by society over signing Watson to a record deal blows my mind.
What’s the deal? Why are they and Watson getting a pass? Now they’re floating a billion dollar stadium off a sexual predators back.
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I think conference realignment has more to do with it than the Royals and Chiefs winning. Mizzou and Nebraska play in different conferences so why should KU/K-State fans care and vice versa. They're too segmented now to not make over half the audience lose interest when talking about college.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:35 pmI'd say KC was like that pre-2014 because the pro-teams were terrible and the college teams were good. But once the Royals & Chiefs started winning championships, college teams became worthless in KC. Tbf I think most people would agree with that.ericwyner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:06 pmin some places with pro teams, the local/regional college programs are bigger. the sports radio in Austin talks about UT football all yearAlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:17 pm KU won the national title and only got the next day of local sports radio attention before shifting back to pro-sports. College sports doesn't have anything on any pro-sports.
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Fair point. That def contributed to the decline. The pro-sports coming up around the same time sealed the deal though.TheBigChuckbowski wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:14 pmI think conference realignment has more to do with it than the Royals and Chiefs winning. Mizzou and Nebraska play in different conferences so why should KU/K-State fans care and vice versa. They're too segmented now to not make over half the audience lose interest when talking about college.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:35 pmI'd say KC was like that pre-2014 because the pro-teams were terrible and the college teams were good. But once the Royals & Chiefs started winning championships, college teams became worthless in KC. Tbf I think most people would agree with that.
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I sort of want Kansas to drive up the cost so the Chiefs get a super super good stadium instead of getting some bare minimum bullshit stadium.
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I have a feeling the Chiefs are staying at TSC since Arrowhead will get renovations for the World Cup.
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Oh I agree. But when the Chiefs do the re-build, I want Kansas to drive up the cost so that it becomes a really big rebuild which will be a really nice stadium. Not some cheap build.
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I ould see in a decade or so the Chargers moving out there under new ownership. Its too big a region to ignore now even if Jerry Jones wants the horde it. San Antonio especially would provide a huge amount of public funding they will never get in Cal.
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Yeah why spend $1 billion in taxpayer funds on a stadium when you can spend $2 billion in taxpayer funds for an even nicer stadium from which the team's billionaire owner can wring even more revenue with negligible (even zero?) additional return for the taxpayers themselves who funded it? It's one thing to argue that we simply have to spend money to keep the team at all (I'm not sure I concede that point either, but in any case, it's not relevant right now anyway), but "I hope there's a bidding war so that we can unnecessarily spend vastly more than we otherwise would have" is totally deranged.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:56 amOh I agree. But when the Chiefs do the re-build, I want Kansas to drive up the cost so that it becomes a really big rebuild which will be a really nice stadium. Not some cheap build.
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Agreed. I see no reason to unnecessarily spend money if you don’t have to.phuqueue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:29 amYeah why spend $1 billion in taxpayer funds on a stadium when you can spend $2 billion in taxpayer funds for an even nicer stadium from which the team's billionaire owner can wring even more revenue with negligible (even zero?) additional return for the taxpayers themselves who funded it? It's one thing to argue that we simply have to spend money to keep the team at all (I'm not sure I concede that point either, but in any case, it's not relevant right now anyway), but "I hope there's a bidding war so that we can unnecessarily spend vastly more than we otherwise would have" is totally deranged.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:56 amOh I agree. But when the Chiefs do the re-build, I want Kansas to drive up the cost so that it becomes a really big rebuild which will be a really nice stadium. Not some cheap build.
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*governmentGoonies wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:35 amI'm sensing there's alot of rich people on this board. They are very careless with how others money is spent.phuqueue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:29 amYeah why spend $1 billion in taxpayer funds on a stadium when you can spend $2 billion in taxpayer funds for an even nicer stadium from which the team's billionaire owner can wring even more revenue with negligible (even zero?) additional return for the taxpayers themselves who funded it? It's one thing to argue that we simply have to spend money to keep the team at all (I'm not sure I concede that point either, but in any case, it's not relevant right now anyway), but "I hope there's a bidding war so that we can unnecessarily spend vastly more than we otherwise would have" is totally deranged.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:56 am
Oh I agree. But when the Chiefs do the re-build, I want Kansas to drive up the cost so that it becomes a really big rebuild which will be a really nice stadium. Not some cheap build.
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Swap word cost for quality then. I want a world class stadium that we get to host big events at all the time. Not something generic like Missouri would build if there’s no pressure coming from Kansasphuqueue wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:29 amYeah why spend $1 billion in taxpayer funds on a stadium when you can spend $2 billion in taxpayer funds for an even nicer stadium from which the team's billionaire owner can wring even more revenue with negligible (even zero?) additional return for the taxpayers themselves who funded it? It's one thing to argue that we simply have to spend money to keep the team at all (I'm not sure I concede that point either, but in any case, it's not relevant right now anyway), but "I hope there's a bidding war so that we can unnecessarily spend vastly more than we otherwise would have" is totally deranged.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:56 amOh I agree. But when the Chiefs do the re-build, I want Kansas to drive up the cost so that it becomes a really big rebuild which will be a really nice stadium. Not some cheap build.
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Swap whatever words you want, but you're still talking about spending a huge amount of public money. What does it mean to "host big events all the time"? The World Cup is a big event and the existing Arrowhead already landed it. The Super Bowl is a big event, but it won't come to KC unless the stadium has a roof (and would have already been awarded to the existing Arrowhead if it had a roof). The Olympics will never come to KC, and if they did, they would surely expect a new Olympic Stadium as part of the bid. Arrowhead already hosts miscellaneous other soccer and college football games. A roofed stadium might host some basketball stuff as well, but that's somewhere between one and a few dates in a given year, and probably not every year. Even new stadiums in much larger cities host only a handful of non-NFL events in a given year, and most of those events are not national or international draws like the World Cup, they are just concerts for especially big acts (Arrowhead has also hosted some of these, and I suspect that the reason it doesn't host more has more to do with KC's ability to turn out 75,000 people for a concert than with the quality of the facilities, though that is just my feeling, I'm not a concert promoter or anything).
A new stadium is likely to cost ~$1 billion or more as a starting point, before you even start throwing in nonessential bells and whistles. Whether that's an especially wise use of public money or not, it's going to happen, so we'll set that part of it aside. But when you start talking about adding hundreds of millions more to that amount, the question needs to become, is it worth those hundreds of millions of dollars to pull in two or three concerts and an extra college football game or two per year? Or might the city/county/metro be better served by spending that money somewhere else?
A new stadium is likely to cost ~$1 billion or more as a starting point, before you even start throwing in nonessential bells and whistles. Whether that's an especially wise use of public money or not, it's going to happen, so we'll set that part of it aside. But when you start talking about adding hundreds of millions more to that amount, the question needs to become, is it worth those hundreds of millions of dollars to pull in two or three concerts and an extra college football game or two per year? Or might the city/county/metro be better served by spending that money somewhere else?