Uptown Shoppes

Discuss items in the urban core outside of Downtown as described above. Everything in the core including the east side (18th & Vine area), Northeast, Plaza, Westport, Brookside, Valentine, Waldo, 39th street, & the entire midtown area.
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smh wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:51 am Chris, all of these photos across the threads are really fantastic. Thanks for doing this while you were in town!
When I come back in the Spring, I plan on taking more drone photos and hope to have certification to fly within the Downtown area. I posted in the Parkville thread a link to a Flickr Album that includes all my drone photos and videos from KC and STL.
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alejandro46 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:22 pm Thanks for all the excellent drone pictures!
shinatoo wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:31 am Yes, thank you!
horizons82 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:45 pm Thanks for all the great drone shots, Chris! Very appreciated.

So sad to see that sod field behind the new apartments.
kboish wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:34 pm Agreed, the drone shots are very appreciated. Very nice to see those perspectives in the city.
DaveKCMO wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:27 pm
I sent this one to the developer. Great work!
You're all very much welcome.
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This will have a small retail space at the intersection and a lobby and mail room just to the north. The rest of the first floor will be mostly exposed parking.
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Oof. Exposed parking kind of defeats the point of building at the corner.
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Completely legal

88-425-07-C

If the street isn't already predominantly retail or residential at ground level all they have to do is put plants in for the first ten feet of the lot.

Basically, city code is anti urban design. It ignores the chicken-egg aspect of design

The metal covers people hate, that's covered in 88-425-07-D
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That street is predominantly retail at the ground level. The only part that isn't is the surface lot that is being built on. If that is an acceptable loophole, the ordinance is worthless.
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chaglang wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:27 am That street is predominantly retail at the ground level. The only part that isn't is the surface lot that is being built on. If that is an acceptable loophole, the ordinance is worthless.
The current parking ordinances really are that bad.
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Sure, sure, but is that how that specific ordinance is being interpreted? Examples, pls.
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chaglang wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:07 am Sure, sure, but is that how that specific ordinance is being interpreted? Examples, pls.
I've generally found they're being ignored, so interpretations are kind of pointless.

How many new (since 2013) parking garages have a ten foot wide planted buffer?
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Sunflower website has this project named "Converge KC"...
https://sunflowerkc.com/our-projects/uptown-lofts/
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The Business Journal reports this project will break ground on the corner annex in August 2021. The first phase will open this summer.
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Groundfloor will be wrapped in stone and glazing despite being mostly parking!
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normalthings wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:16 pm Groundfloor will be wrapped in stone and glazing despite being mostly parking!
Elevations and site plan. All apartments will be Studios and One Bedrooms.

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Looks decent.
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Once they build the project that comes up to the sidewalk at the corner of broadway/valentine i think this will look a lot better. It is awkward to me now
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Will there be any retail where the Night of the Living Dead Safeway was?
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Goonies wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 5:51 pm How long til we see some apartments with actual charm instead of all these boring cookie cutter ones going up all around KC?
Unfortunately, I don't think there's a lot of economic incentive to improve urban architecture right now. Building in downtown/urban core settings is often treated less as a design problem and more as a real estate venture, and the public facing elements of the project are the first to go once value engineering sets in. The people on the sidewalk aren't the ones paying the developer, after all. It's also a problem of architectural education, which emphasizes the design of grand vanity projects over quality urban infill.

It's frustrating because architecture once had a reliable system for mass-producing public-facing urban architecture, even in little ol KC.

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Its entirely dependent on maintenance and moisture control. Europe has 700 year old timber buildings. From a construction/development perspective, we view wood and concrete/steel as having equivalent lifespans on our projects.

Wood’s carbon footprint is so much lower that you can replace a CLT structure 2-3 times before you match the carbon footprint of a concrete/steel structure. The wood members themselves are carbon negative whereas concrete/steel obviously are carbon intensive.

Wood, depending on the technology used, can be more fire resistant than concrete/steel. Modern wood is really interesting and imho not taken as seriously as it should be in our area.
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Goonies wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 2:14 am

Ugh that picture. Those buildings are beautiful and many still stand today. How long is the average building they are putting together supposed to last?
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normalthings wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 2:37 am Its entirely dependent on maintenance and moisture control. Europe has 700 year old timber buildings. From a construction/development perspective, we view wood and concrete/steel as having equivalent lifespans on our projects.

Wood’s carbon footprint is so much lower that you can replace a CLT structure 2-3 times before you match the carbon footprint of a concrete/steel structure. The wood members themselves are carbon negative whereas concrete/steel obviously are carbon intensive.

Wood, depending on the technology used, can be more fire resistant than concrete/steel. Modern wood is really interesting and imho not taken as seriously as it should be in our area.
Wood construction as high quality as medieval-style half timbering and CLT unfortunately isn't what's being used in these five-over-one apartment projects though. As far as I know, it's basically the same stick frame system used on suburban homes, hotel's ect. Structures not exactly famous for aging gracefully. They also have a not-insignificant record of burning while under construction because it's mostly the systems keeping the building fire safe as opposed to the construction of the building itself.

If we can't figure out better sustainable building techniques, however, then we should figure out how to improve the public face of these buildings. Again, we once had a reliable system for producing appealing urban architecture. It can be done.
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