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According to ABC News:

US cases top 619,000. There are 27,760 official COVID deaths reported so far in the USA.

752 deaths in NYC in the last 24 hours.

1,000 deaths in Massachusetts thus far.

Louisiana's death toll has climbed to 1,103.

Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser announced Wednesday that she’s extending the stay-at-home order through May 15th.

Gov. Jay Inslee announced the Washington's shelter-in-place order has been extended to May 4.

Soldiers' Home in Holyoke, Massachusetts, had 47 residents die with 38 confirmed as COVID-19.

Business leader beg Trump to increase federal funding for testing.

Trump faces backlash from threatening to withhold funding from the World Health Organization--during a pandemic. Bill and Melinda Gates strongly disagree with this threat, and action. Bill called it "dangerous."

Dr. Anthony Fauci says it will likely be a rolling reopening of the country by region, and depending on availability of testing. He says a second wave is possible this fall that might require social distancing measures again.

Domestic airline travel reached a new low Tuesday when the TSA screened less than 90,000 passengers for the first time during the COVID-19 outbreak.

The TSA screened 87,534 travelers at checkpoints nationwide on Tuesday compared to 2,208,688 on the same weekday last year -- around a 96% decrease.

France is among the worst-affected countries in the pandemic, with more than 131,000 diagnosed cases of COVID-19 and over 15,000 deaths, according to a count kept by Johns Hopkins University.

French President Emmanuel Macron has extended a lockdown for the country till May 11.

The Russian government registered 3,388 new cases in the past 24 hours -- the country's biggest single-day jump yet.

There are now 24,490 diagnosed cases of COVID-19 across Russia, and at least 198 people have died from the disease.

Moscow, with a population of more than 12 million people, is by far the hardest-hit city in the country.
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My early thoughts are that Austin and Nashville may have been too leveraged on tourism and conventions during their recent booms. A lot of their high end living and hotel projects will take a hit and I wonder if things will slow significantly during the next cycle. KC seems to also have had a lot of hotel action but it was more of a rebalancing act or getting back to a normal level for a city of our size. If we make the right moves today (KCI, Broadway Bridge, UMKC Streetcar, Riverfront Streetcar, BAP, Loop Cap Park, Downtown Spec Office, etc), we could see explosive growth in the next cycle.

What "building blocks" do you think will be the keys to boosting us in the next up turn?
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"The economy is clearly in ruins here”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/15/the-eco ... -here.html

This is for Feb to March. The lockdown didn't kick into gear nationally until later in March.
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Jobless claims came out for 4th week since job losses. Under 6M claims this week for a total of about 22M jobless claims in last 4 weeks. Some economists think it will peak at 25M total lost over next couple weeks or so IF lockdown is lifted soon. Slight improvement but overall in recession/depression territory.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/us-week ... laims.html
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normalthings wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:23 am My early thoughts are that Austin and Nashville may have been too leveraged on tourism and conventions during their recent booms. A lot of their high end living and hotel projects will take a hit and I wonder if things will slow significantly during the next cycle. KC seems to also have had a lot of hotel action but it was more of a rebalancing act or getting back to a normal level for a city of our size. If we make the right moves today (KCI, Broadway Bridge, UMKC Streetcar, Riverfront Streetcar, BAP, Loop Cap Park, Downtown Spec Office, etc), we could see explosive growth in the next cycle.

What "building blocks" do you think will be the keys to boosting us in the next up turn?
That list is largely just downtown. The next round of policy changes need to be enabling for the east side and the northland too.

We can be ready with zoning that doesn't segregate uses. A residential rezoning effort to enable, and in some cases require, neighborhood scale retail. Both as standalone shops and in the ground floor of multi-unit buildings. Pickup service at restaurants will stay popular. Smaller retail spaces with a kitchen and counter will become more popular with businesses. Don't run one large restaurant with 300 seats, run 5 takeout places instead.

Bike racks are mandated in code for new development, we need to look at funding their placement for existing buildings. Bike lanes are nice, bike racks are needed the same way parking became mandatory in code for the car.

A new road righting standard that's not just about traffic. Switch the standard to the movement of people where someone walking is equal to someone driving.
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Based on 22M jobs lost/furloughed over last 4 weeks. Economists say might peak at 25M lost over next couple weeks but could dig hole even deeper if lockdown doesn't start to lift soon.

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Smithfield Plant in Martin City closed.
Bravo Leawood closed for good
KC area May 15th extended stay at home.
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According to ABC News:

5.2 million in unemployment claims this week.

Death toll in US is 32,186.

Trump announces federal guidelines for phased reopening of the country. Governors will call the shots. Phase one would see a two week decline in cases with robust testing, and contact tracing. If states go two weeks without rebound in cases, they can move to Phase two.

Phase two will depend on test and trace.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/coronav ... ro_related

More than 600 died in NYC in the last 24 hours. Hospitalization rate is dropping. NYC and LA both extend stay-at-home orders to May 15.

Largest cluster in the nation is in a South Dakota meat processing plant. 598 Smithfield pork plant workers have become ill -- forcing a shutdown.

Andover, NJ, -- A 500-bed nursing home has had 68 deaths including two nurses. 15 bodies found in their morgue after desperate calls for body bags. 33 confirmed deaths from virus.

UK forced to extend lock down for at least three more weeks.

UK study shows men are dying at twice the rate as women.

Kansas City, Missouri, stay-at-home order extended to May 15; peak expected during the last week of April. Outside of KCMO, governors Parson and Kelly extend state-wide stay-at-home orders to May 3.

Kansas City Health Department says there still isn't enough testing available.

Missouri has had 5,111 cases.

Kansas has had 1,588 cases.
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NKC,Jackson County,KCK May 15 to.
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No public panic reported

Flu Season…Deaths…….Cases….
2019-2020….24,000…39,000,000
2018-2019….34,157…35,520,883
2017-2018….61,099…44,802,629
2016-2017….38,230…29,220,523
2015-2016….22,705…23,504,319
2014-2015….51,376…30,165,452
2013-2014….37,930…29,739,994
2012-2013….42,570…33,679,171
2011-2012….12,447…..9,315,621
2010-2011….36,656…21,286,119

2020 – Flu vaccine only 45% effective in U.S.
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zlohban wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:45 pm No public panic reported

Flu Season…Deaths…….Cases….
2019-2020….24,000…39,000,000
2018-2019….34,157…35,520,883
2017-2018….61,099…44,802,629
2016-2017….38,230…29,220,523
2015-2016….22,705…23,504,319
2014-2015….51,376…30,165,452
2013-2014….37,930…29,739,994
2012-2013….42,570…33,679,171
2011-2012….12,447…..9,315,621
2010-2011….36,656…21,286,119

2020 – Flu vaccine only 45% effective in U.S.
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I think his point is that we didn't shut down the world over the flu.
This whole thing is turning political now. Protests are planned in Jeff City, KC and Topeka.
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If you’re going to do an apples to apples comparison you need to compare the number of deaths for each disease state over the same period of time. The influenza deaths reported are over an entire season, thus the 2019-2020 time period. The current death total from Covid19 is only over a 7-8 week period starting in February or March. Covid19 is much more contagious and deadly than the annual strains of influenza that we experience. The average rates of mortality from influenza also reflect a total population that does not 100% vaccinate on a yearly basis with the annual vaccine that is available to be utilized.

Once again—this virus is novel (new) to the human race and there are no vaccines or PROVEN drug therapies that can prevent or treat the virus. If the social distancing and stay-at-home directions had not been implemented there’s a great chance that the death toll would be much much higher. I’m sorry that the economy or your plans for dinner, movie, concert, etc. are being affected by the most effective epidemiological methods known to reduce the mortality rate from a situation like this. The smartest approach from a scientific and societal basis is to follow the science to minimize the problem and utilize the best business minds to minimize the economic effect.

Government does have a role in addressing these issues, despite what the impatient and, in my mind selfish individuals think who are planning to disrupt these efforts with protests. They have every right to protest and I would defend them as an American patriot, but they need to follow the guidelines set up to protect them and their loved ones from infection. Otherwise they can protest their hearts out while holding hands and undermining the greater good. If they don’t follow the guidelines and end up in an ICU ward with the virus I just hope they aren’t taking the bed spaces that their loved ones they infected need.
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The fact that common illnesses like the flu kill so many is actually the exact reason COVID19 is so serious. It's being added on top of the illnesses we're used to dealing with and is more dangerous to boot. If we had never had the flu before this year, we'd be treating it about like we are COVID19.

It's amazing that the culture war BS has gotten so deep into this country that treating an unprecedented global pandemic like an emergency can somehow become a partisan issue. Apparently everything has to be now.
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But what's the end game here? Did the world shut down for the Spanish Flu? News traveled slowed so I doubt it did.
Any kind of outbreak in November and we shut down everything again? A batch of fevers at a school in October and they just cancel the whole year again?

Do entire industries just shut down for a year or do they just disappear? I know hotels, airlines, sports/entertainment, restaurant and bars are not essential but they have also have a lot of ancillary jobs tied to them from the graphic designers, ad/marketing agencies, law firms, pr firms, food suppliers, catering, security companies that depend on these sectors of our economy.

We aren't going to get back to normal because most people will be afraid to go out in public.
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This entire idea that you can turn on and off the economy is so dumb that it shocks me people keep talking about it.

You can't order people to spend money and go places. People are only going to start going out again when they feel comfortable.

What's the point of a closed movie theater vs. an open one with two people in it? Neither of them are viable businesses.

We have to stop talking about opening and closing the economy and instead how we get people comfortable again.

It's going to take a year or so at least.
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The thing I don't get with the media/projections/data is that they keep saying the peak is coming in 2 weeks, the peak is coming in 2 weeks. They have been saying the peak is coming in 2 weeks for the last 4 weeks now.

Another gloom and doom from media was the peak/surge that never came to California. Some are actually saying Covid19 was around in November/December when they had an uptick in respiratory cases but did deaths surge cause of it?
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California aggressively shut down early. Everyone needs to remember that if the surge never happened, it's because the actions some cities took worked.

The problem with shit like this is that there will always be some idiot that says afterwords, see it was never a big deal, when in reality it just means that smart people did smart things and saved people.
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brewcrew1000 wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:49 am The thing I don't get with the media/projections/data is that they keep saying the peak is coming in 2 weeks, the peak is coming in 2 weeks. They have been saying the peak is coming in 2 weeks for the last 4 weeks now.

Another gloom and doom from media was the peak/surge that never came to California. Some are actually saying Covid19 was around in November/December when they had an uptick in respiratory cases but did deaths surge cause of it?
You should stop getting your "news" from the swamp. It takes 3+ weeks for people to die so no, nobody has been saying the peak was coming less than 3 weeks after things shut down. Nobody is saying it's still 2 weeks away -- if we're not already past it then we're very close. And nobody other than total kooks say that the virus was circulating here in 2019. Pandemics are just math. The basic numbers are pretty well known. Nothing that has happened has been surprising to anyone that has been paying attention. Remember I said back when there were just 300 deaths that it was already almost too late to prevent 100k deaths by the end of the year? It's just math.
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This " I hAd a ReSpIrAtOrY iNfEcTiOn tHiS wInTeR aNd It WaS CoViD" stuff is some of the dumbest and more dangerous stuff out there. It will get large numbers of people to quit being careful, which will in turn get them infected. It's amazing how fast so many people become epidimiologists, many from the University of Facebook.

The end game with this virus isn't "make America open again" like I heard yesterday from a certain potus (thanks neighbor blasting it on the radio), it's keeping our already gutted and value engineered hospital systems from being totally screwed by an overwhelming number of people getting sick all at once. The early, scary curves didn't seem as much about the deadliness of the disease as it was about a sharp increase in the number dead once hospitals simply don't have bandwidth. This last month has saved so many lives. It's given us another month to begin untangling critical supply chains. It's given people a month to come up with ad-hoc ventilators. It's given doctors a month to develop therapies or at least something resembling best practices.
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