Bannister Mall/Cerner

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Re: Bannister Mall/Cerner

Post by Highlander » Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:20 pm

An article in the Star this morning about Cerner's lack of overall impact in south Kansas City :

https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 01533.html

While much of the article is aimed at the Star's new goal of creating controversy wherever possible, the early indications are that the Cerner campus has had little impact on the community. I think most on KCRAG predicted the same with employees simply bypassing the community on their commutes.

Still, many view Cerner’s 3,000-plus employees more as visitors than members of the community. With easy access to the interstate, most zip off to other parts of the metro at the end of every work day.

When they are there, employees have little reason to leave the gated campus, which contains a food court, a fitness center and a health clinic.

“They put all the needs on the campus,” said Alissia Canady, a former council member who lives in the area. “The only Starbucks in the community is on the Cerner campus.”


To be fair, the Star article is way premature. It's only been 5 years since ground was broken and not even half of the envisioned employee force is in place yet. But results are pretty predictable thus far. KC leaders do not seem to be able to learn from past failed attempts to generate development with similar efforts and never seem to ask the question about whether or not that's even a worthy goal.

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Re: Bannister Mall/Cerner

Post by FangKC » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:47 pm

I've seen complaints that it's turning into a corporate gated community.

As part of the City participation in the project, there should have been some requirement that Cerner be responsible for overseeing -- with a partner -- the financing and building of near-site housing for a some percentage of their staff. If it is becoming a gated campus, the City should have also required that the area remain open to public passage, and that it be mixed use.

They should have been some provision to stop Cerner from farming out to third-party developers to get out of the minimum minority representation in employment.

Cerner doesn't care about that neighborhood, and they don't care about KCMO per se. They just want a cheap place to operate, and taxpayers to help fund it. The project isn't that far along, and they are already looking for loopholes.

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Re: Bannister Mall/Cerner

Post by im2kull » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:41 am

I mean.. what do you expect from a private, gated business place who's parking lot you can't even enter without a special pass?

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Re: Bannister Mall/Cerner

Post by brewcrew1000 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:19 am

Is Cerner is having some internal struggles? Wonder why are all these long time execs are leaving all of a sudden? Could Cerner end up being bought out or merge with someone else. Cerner also seems to be losing marketshare to companies like Epic
https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 22258.html

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Re: Bannister Mall/Cerner

Post by earthling » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:46 am

A friend worked for them recently as an IT architect and told me they are stuck in the past with too many legacy systems that need to be modernized yet they are investing in other areas, possibly the wrong areas. However he said some key Epic systems also are not as modernized as they should be. Probably good that they remove the old guard and get some fresh thinking at the top. They have enough scale to correct past mistakes.

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Re: Bannister Mall/Cerner

Post by herrfrank » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:31 am

FangKC wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:47 pm

They should have been some provision to stop Cerner from farming out to third-party developers to get out of the minimum minority representation in employment.
What "minimum minority representation in employment" agreement are you referencing? Did Cerner sign something like this with the city or county? If so, please link to it in your reply.

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Re: Bannister Mall/Cerner

Post by TrolliKC » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:20 pm

herrfrank wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:31 am
FangKC wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:47 pm

They should have been some provision to stop Cerner from farming out to third-party developers to get out of the minimum minority representation in employment.
What "minimum minority representation in employment" agreement are you referencing? Did Cerner sign something like this with the city or county? If so, please link to it in your reply.
He is probably referring to the KC Star article: https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... rylink=cpy
The original TIF plan called for Cerner to build about 250,000 square feet of retail space along with a 121,000 - square-foot hotel along Bannister. But the company now plans to hand off the commercial development projects to other developers. It will soon seek a fifth amendment to its plan with the Kansas City TIF Commission.

That change will excuse the third-party developers from meeting requirements to hire a certain percentage of minority and female-owned businesses that Cerner is bound to, said Heather Brown, executive director of the TIF commission. While Cerner won't build on the site, the projects will still receive tax benefits, Brown said.

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Re: Bannister Mall/Cerner

Post by herrfrank » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:53 pm

To clarify -- the reference is to minority-owned and woman-owned business allotments for construction work (which the city of KC has required for years, commonly known in the building trades as "set-asides"), not anything to do with direct employment by Cerner.

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Re: Bannister Mall/Cerner

Post by FangKC » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:24 pm

No one said anything about direct employment by Cerner.

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