Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

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I prefer the trip out to Kauffman to be considered shlugging
FWIW, to me, it sounds like you're just trying to make up Yiddish words. Which is kind of insulting/demeaning for people who have that language as a part of their family's recent history.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by rokhok » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:31 am

I have been staring at google maps on this too much... LOL.... the problem I see with East Loop for a project this large is that it is not just the stadium... you will also want space around the stadium for entertainment... bars, food, etc. and east loop has lots of parking lots that could be used for the stadium but then the area is blocked from the rest of DT by the gov bldg comlplex. Not ideal in my opinion.

North Loop I think has too much potential for residential as River Market fills up.

That leaves looking south / or southeast of the loop:

1) East Crossroads (Cherry, Truman, US-71 and 18th) -

Advantages: Relative low density currently; connects CR to 18th/V; option for future east/west streetcar line; plenty of infill area for close amenities; highway access.

Disads: Ideal stadium orientation would not show of DT skyline (might have to use less ideal); US 71 side would be hard barrier to development.

2) Crossroads to Jazz (US-71, Truman, 18th and Paseo)

Advantages: much the same as above but a little closer to 18/V and further from CR. Would make Paseo more relevant; close to DT Baseball Academy

Disads: Mostly same as above, Would have to relocate bus depot and tech college/ school

3) Westside (Cesar Chavez, Madison, 20th, and I-35)

Advantages: Perfect Stadium Orientation. Coutours of elevation are potentially well suited; Makes SW Blvd more connected / better development. Highway access. Potential mass transit bi-state along SW Blvd

Disads: would displace homes / neighborhood... doesnt help eastside.. farther from streetcar

4) Crossroads West (19th, Broadway, 17th, Wyandotte)

Advantages: Ideal location for infill / best for current hotels / bars / food; close to streetcar; would have continuity with other large features like convention center, performing arts center; would activate this section of Broadway

Disads: potentially tight fit; would displace some crossroads blds (maybe some historic), off highway (may not matter)


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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by mgsports » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:34 am

435 and 87th Street?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by TheLastGentleman » Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:33 pm

mgsports wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:34 am
435 and 87th Street?
Ah yes, why didn’t we consider that before /s

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by flyingember » Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:36 pm

rokhok wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:31 am
I have been staring at google maps on this too much... LOL.... the problem I see with East Loop for a project this large is that it is not just the stadium... you will also want space around the stadium for entertainment... bars, food, etc. and east loop has lots of parking lots that could be used for the stadium but then the area is blocked from the rest of DT by the gov bldg comlplex. Not ideal in my opinion.

There's no way we can build enough entertainment next to the stadium to support even 10% of capacity

Let's not care if there's bars around the site or not and instead support all of downtown by scattering thousands of customers among dozens of blocks of businesses.

Unless there's parking for 10,000 cars right next to it most people will need to leave the immediate area by foot, bus and train which makes it easy for them to go elsewhere.

Also, the east loop parking lots would only hold a couple thousand people.
That leaves looking south / or southeast of the loop:

1) East Crossroads (Cherry, Truman, US-71 and 18th) -

Advantages: Relative low density currently; connects CR to 18th/V; option for future east/west streetcar line; plenty of infill area for close amenities; highway access.

Disads: Ideal stadium orientation would not show of DT skyline (might have to use less ideal); US 71 side would be hard barrier to development.
What's with all the destruction? You don't like how many bars we can place on empty land so let's tear down dozens of buildings instead
2) Crossroads to Jazz (US-71, Truman, 18th and Paseo)

Advantages: much the same as above but a little closer to 18/V and further from CR. Would make Paseo more relevant; close to DT Baseball Academy

Disads: Mostly same as above, Would have to relocate bus depot and tech college/ school
It's funny you would pick this site when the other side of 18th would be much easier to kick people out of.
3) Westside (Cesar Chavez, Madison, 20th, and I-35)

Advantages: Perfect Stadium Orientation. Coutours of elevation are potentially well suited; Makes SW Blvd more connected / better development. Highway access. Potential mass transit bi-state along SW Blvd

Disads: would displace homes / neighborhood... doesnt help eastside.. farther from streetcar
Hiway access? You're crazy, this neighborhood is really hard to get to from I-35. That's not bad from a neighborhood point of view but you're talking about a site which would create traffic like nothing else when we're talking about 10,000+ cars all at once.
4) Crossroads West (19th, Broadway, 17th, Wyandotte)

Advantages: Ideal location for infill / best for current hotels / bars / food; close to streetcar; would have continuity with other large features like convention center, performing arts center; would activate this section of Broadway

Disads: potentially tight fit; would displace some crossroads blds (maybe some historic), off highway (may not matter)
Yeah, this won't happen. It would block the Kauffman Center view of Union Station.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by mgsports » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:41 pm

Because at moment land is empty but will be developed soon. Lee's Summit? southern Johnson County?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by StL_Dan » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:48 pm

flyingmember is trigggerrrred. lol

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by TheLastGentleman » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:57 pm

StL_Dan wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:48 pm
flyingmember is trigggerrrred. lol
:-|

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by rokhok » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:46 pm

JFC dude.. why the hostility and looking down your nose at me? You could have easily registered your opinions and objections in a respectful way.. yet chose to be hostile as if my post was an affront... such a problem in our country these days... anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what I believe is 100% wrong.... you wanna try again?

A few comments on your comments:

1) Fully understand we can't build enough entertainment close for all and agree that would not even be desirable. However, having attended games at many great and not so great DT stadiums.. the ones that have some degree of "close" entertainment are immeasurably seen as being better. So any plan should leave some space for such things and not have the stadium surrounded by completely unrelated businesses / infrastructure.

2) East Loop comment wasn't about how much parking it would hold but how easy it would be to use given that there are not many buildings. I would expect little to no surface parking near the stadium.. way too inefficient.

3) Destruction - if the criteria for a new stadium is to not tear down anything currently standing.. might as well leave it where it stands. I think it is always a balance....

4) Other side of 18th... picked this side for continuity between DT, CR and 18/V thats all... I don't see a lot of residential there currently.. am I wrong?

5) Hiway Access - realistically we will have to have a way for thousands of cars to get to highways no matter where. the faster they get off city streets the less the local impact. I 100% agree that today I-35 access is not optimal.. but changing that can and likely would be of any DT plan.


flyingember wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:36 pm
rokhok wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:31 am
I have been staring at google maps on this too much... LOL.... the problem I see with East Loop for a project this large is that it is not just the stadium... you will also want space around the stadium for entertainment... bars, food, etc. and east loop has lots of parking lots that could be used for the stadium but then the area is blocked from the rest of DT by the gov bldg comlplex. Not ideal in my opinion.

There's no way we can build enough entertainment next to the stadium to support even 10% of capacity

Let's not care if there's bars around the site or not and instead support all of downtown by scattering thousands of customers among dozens of blocks of businesses.

Unless there's parking for 10,000 cars right next to it most people will need to leave the immediate area by foot, bus and train which makes it easy for them to go elsewhere.

Also, the east loop parking lots would only hold a couple thousand people.
That leaves looking south / or southeast of the loop:

1) East Crossroads (Cherry, Truman, US-71 and 18th) -

Advantages: Relative low density currently; connects CR to 18th/V; option for future east/west streetcar line; plenty of infill area for close amenities; highway access.

Disads: Ideal stadium orientation would not show of DT skyline (might have to use less ideal); US 71 side would be hard barrier to development.
What's with all the destruction? You don't like how many bars we can place on empty land so let's tear down dozens of buildings instead
2) Crossroads to Jazz (US-71, Truman, 18th and Paseo)

Advantages: much the same as above but a little closer to 18/V and further from CR. Would make Paseo more relevant; close to DT Baseball Academy

Disads: Mostly same as above, Would have to relocate bus depot and tech college/ school
It's funny you would pick this site when the other side of 18th would be much easier to kick people out of.
3) Westside (Cesar Chavez, Madison, 20th, and I-35)

Advantages: Perfect Stadium Orientation. Coutours of elevation are potentially well suited; Makes SW Blvd more connected / better development. Highway access. Potential mass transit bi-state along SW Blvd

Disads: would displace homes / neighborhood... doesnt help eastside.. farther from streetcar
Hiway access? You're crazy, this neighborhood is really hard to get to from I-35. That's not bad from a neighborhood point of view but you're talking about a site which would create traffic like nothing else when we're talking about 10,000+ cars all at once.
4) Crossroads West (19th, Broadway, 17th, Wyandotte)

Advantages: Ideal location for infill / best for current hotels / bars / food; close to streetcar; would have continuity with other large features like convention center, performing arts center; would activate this section of Broadway

Disads: potentially tight fit; would displace some crossroads blds (maybe some historic), off highway (may not matter)
Yeah, this won't happen. It would block the Kauffman Center view of Union Station.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by flyingember » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:47 am

rokhok wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:46 pm
JFC dude.. why the hostility and looking down your nose at me? You could have easily registered your opinions and objections in a respectful way.. yet chose to be hostile as if my post was an affront... such a problem in our country these days... anyone who doesn't agree 100% with what I believe is 100% wrong.... you wanna try again?
You should stop posting here if you have such thin skin as to think any of that was hostile.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by rokhok » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:16 am

Wow! Even more hostility. I was not the only one to notice, dude....

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by flyingember » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:46 am

rokhok wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:16 am
Wow! Even more hostility. I was not the only one to notice, dude....
I really don't know what to say, you're clearly adding your own emotion into the text.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by rokhok » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:07 am

flyingember wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:46 am
rokhok wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:16 am
Wow! Even more hostility. I was not the only one to notice, dude....
I really don't know what to say, you're clearly adding your own emotion into the text.
Then maybe we can get back to just a healthy discussion....

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by MizzouMadeKC » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:02 pm

Yes. Royals Stadium in the 1970s and 1980s was gorgeous. The remodeled K is a desperate attempt to make baseball more appealing while increasing revenue. Downtown doesn’t need the Royals, but the Royals might need Downtown.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by ToDactivist » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:42 am

MizzouMadeKC wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:02 pm
Yes. Royals Stadium in the 1970s and 1980s was gorgeous. The remodeled K is a desperate attempt to make baseball more appealing while increasing revenue. Downtown doesn’t need the Royals, but the Royals might need Downtown.
Agreed on that comment...not sure anyone would attend a CO Rockies game if in Aurora. No, I'm positive no one would.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by StL_Dan » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:53 pm

MizzouMadeKC wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:02 pm
Yes. Royals Stadium in the 1970s and 1980s was gorgeous. The remodeled K is a desperate attempt to make baseball more appealing while increasing revenue. Downtown doesn’t need the Royals, but the Royals might need Downtown.
The re-modeled K does have a lot of unnecessary fluff, esp beyond the outfield seats. Nonetheless, inside the walls, the stadium is so much better and less sterile than it was before the reno. For instance, adding OF seats in the power alleys alone elevated the stadium by light years. I love how the K kept the SRO areas immediately behind the RF corner seats, though. Great place to hang out with friends while grabbing a drink or eat and not miss any of the action.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by chaglang » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:46 pm

We were at the Nelson this weekend and every time I’m there I’m delighted at how a Claus bleeping Oldenburg sculpture has become a symbol for the whole city. The side effect of decades of mediocre sports has forced KC to find its identity in other places. I hope KC keeps that mentality. The Royals need downtown more than downtown needs the Royals.


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