Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by johnmatrix » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:19 pm

brewcrew1000 wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:49 am
johnmatrix wrote:
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I think Kansas will make a run at them as well.
I think a Kansas Stadium is more likely than a downtown stadium, I think the Royals will follow a blueprint similar to Atlanta and use excuses like (a Majority of our Fanbase is located in Johnson County)

I think you will only see a downtown stadium is if we had a local ownership who cared about the city. Kansas City need a rex sinquefield type who wants to invest in the city and bring the city back to life.
I would love a downtown ballpark it makes the most sense. I wish Rex would buy the team but I think half the city would go nuts given todays political climate.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by im2kull » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:03 pm

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At the end of the current leases, TSC will be over 60 years old. Something new will likely need to be built somewhere and needs to be paid for by everyone.
Needs?

No, a complete move and rebuild is a "Want". Period.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by normalthings » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:35 pm

im2kull wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:03 pm
normalthings wrote:
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At the end of the current leases, TSC will be over 60 years old. Something new will likely need to be built somewhere and needs to be paid for by everyone.
Needs?

No, a complete move and rebuild is a "Want". Period.
I meant that if a new stadium is the path forward then the metro needs to pay, not just KCMO/Jackson.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by FangKC » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:17 pm

Yikes! Anyone but Rex Sinquefield. We need a modern-version of Ewing Kauffman.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:41 pm

Sell the team to Wal-Mart. That'd be a winner. LOL

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Post by alejandro46 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:55 am

Opinion from Port KC director. No mention or option of Berkley Riverfront as potential site.

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Post by flyingember » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:02 am

alejandro46 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:55 am
Opinion from Port KC director. No mention or option of Berkley Riverfront as potential site.
The riverfront isn't deep enough.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by normalthings » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:23 am

flyingember wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:02 am
alejandro46 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:55 am
Opinion from Port KC director. No mention or option of Berkley Riverfront as potential site.
The riverfront isn't deep enough.
Berkeley is only big enough for a smaller Sporting KC sized stadium

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Post by alejandro46 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:45 am

normalthings wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:23 am
flyingember wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:02 am
alejandro46 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:55 am
Opinion from Port KC director. No mention or option of Berkley Riverfront as potential site.
The riverfront isn't deep enough.
Berkeley is only big enough for a smaller Sporting KC sized stadium
Ah makes sense.

My current opinion is not in favor of new downtown stadium I'd rather develop area around TSC and evaluate if we can run transit from downtown, but I strongly agree to study all options, check price tags, and gain input from ownership and city leaders.

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Post by beautyfromashes » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:00 am

I still like North Loop as part of removing the highway. Put parking garages in the trench.

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Post by flyingember » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:29 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:
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I still like North Loop as part of removing the highway. Put parking garages in the trench.
This is far from the worst idea out there. One at Main over I-70 would connect to the streetcar and bus service and still connect well into the suburbs.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by TheLastGentleman » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:29 pm

I still think the north loop is the absolute worst place for it. We have a chance to restore the grid and the density in the oldest part of town, we shouldn't blow it with a parking reliant super block. Again, it would vindicate the absurd amount of garage building and landbanking that killed off the area in the first place.

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Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:39 pm

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I still think the north loop is the absolute worst place for it. We have a chance to restore the grid and the density in the oldest part of town, we shouldn't blow it with a parking reliant super block. Again, it would vindicate the absurd amount of garage building and landbanking that killed off the area in the first place.
Yeah, but if you replace the North Loop highway with several parking garages with buildings on top how does that not help rebuild the grid except for the land just where the actual stadium is? It seems it would help reestablish the grid.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by TheLastGentleman » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:00 pm

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Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:39 pm
Yeah, but if you replace the North Loop highway with several parking garages with buildings on top how does that not help rebuild the grid except for the land just where the actual stadium is? It seems it would help reestablish the grid.
There's no incentive to build many garages when there's already so much surface parking to work with. Why build when you can just maintain those lots for another eternity?

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Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:05 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:00 pm
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Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:39 pm
Yeah, but if you replace the North Loop highway with several parking garages with buildings on top how does that not help rebuild the grid except for the land just where the actual stadium is? It seems it would help reestablish the grid.
There's no incentive to build many garages when there's already so much surface parking to work with. Why build when you can just maintain those lots for another eternity?
Because you have a below grade trench with direct connections to the highway system to all parts of the metro with nothing on top of it and is directly connected on where you want to build the stadium, is next to the streetcar and is next to the River Market. The stadium is the excuse to finally redo North Loop. Forgive me if I didn’t understand the question.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by brewcrew1000 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:13 pm

FangKC wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:17 pm
Yikes! Anyone but Rex Sinquefield. We need a modern-version of Ewing Kauffman.
Sinquefield kind of does have a modern vision when it comes to cities and investing in St Louis. Pretty soon all of this old money is gonna die out in KCMO. We won't have anyone to replace the Kauffman's, the Blochs, all our big "new" money is in the burbs and I don't see them investing much in the city when it comes to cultural/Civic treasures.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by TheLastGentleman » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:51 pm

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Because you have a below grade trench with direct connections to the highway system to all parts of the metro with nothing on top of it and is directly connected on where you want to build the stadium, is next to the streetcar and is next to the River Market. The stadium is the excuse to finally redo North Loop. Forgive me if I didn’t understand the question.
I have a hard time imagining that a ballpark development wouldn't take advantage of the surrounding lots for parking. I haven't seen too many downtown stadiums in cities of our size without surface parking nearby. Sure, in an ideal world, all the parking would be relegated to hidden garages and everything else would be wonderful retail and residential development, but I've seen no evidence that's what would happen.

The proper excuse to redo the north loop would be when some actual urban development is proposed. Apartments. Hotels. Offices. It should be a neighborhood. I personally want development that would move people downtown to live, not just see a game.

Now, someone's going to argue that the north loop is hopeless, and that nothing will ever happen there without something like a stadium. I disagree. Unlike places like the east village, which are well and truly cursed, the north loop lies between the river market and the financial district, and is right on the streetcar line. Its redevelopment is inevitable. It may take a long time, but I'm okay with that. See, if you build a stadium there now, it will never move, even after the structure has to be replaced. St. Louis's and Cincinnati's stayed in the same spot after being replaced, for instance. If they get the north loop land now, it would guarantee that a stadium would be there until the end of time.

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Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:05 pm

I don’t think I’m explaining my thoughts very well. North Loop would be closed with a row of below grade garages built. Highways would empty onto road to the north of where the trench is now and directly access garages. On top of the garages would be all the items you wanted: hotels, condos, dining, etc. The rights to build on the garages would be sold or exchanged for the developer building the garages and having them accessible for game parking. In the second case, the only cost to the city would be road transformation. Developers would jump at the deal because they would be in prime location next to stadium, on the streetcar line and next to RM. North Loop gets redone, development happens, stadium DT in a perfect spot.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by normalthings » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:42 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:05 pm
I don’t think I’m explaining my thoughts very well. North Loop would be closed with a row of below grade garages built. Highways would empty onto road to the north of where the trench is now and directly access garages. On top of the garages would be all the items you wanted: hotels, condos, dining, etc. The rights to build on the garages would be sold or exchanged for the developer building the garages and having them accessible for game parking. In the second case, the only cost to the city would be road transformation. Developers would jump at the deal because they would be in prime location next to stadium, on the streetcar line and next to RM. North Loop gets redone, development happens, stadium DT in a perfect spot.
Your talking about spending hundreds of millions of dollars on parking garages and adding tens of thousands of spaces. Downtown doesn't need more parking.
Why not use that money to expand bus or rail service?
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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Post by beautyfromashes » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:07 am

^ What do you think the land where North Loop is now is worth?

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