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So what time can we expect this announcement to happen?
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Excited for them to join downtown and provide more choice to residents.
Let me tio you off to something though....garrment district and jos a bank arent "strong" indicators to overall downtown retail demands. Crown center as bad as it is would be a better indicator.
Let me tio you off to something though....garrment district and jos a bank arent "strong" indicators to overall downtown retail demands. Crown center as bad as it is would be a better indicator.
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Of course current retailers are going to say that! Cordish- “Do you think you have enough business to support us adding some other retail businesses like yourself?”StrangerThings wrote: Current retailers downtown indicate the market can’t sustain more local retailers at the moment.
Retailer- “No, absolutely not!” (Keep that competition far, far away.)
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What is the Three Light announcement? Is that slated for tomorrow?StrangerThings wrote:Followed by Three Light announcement Wednesday. Tomorrow’s announcement is going to be very cool. Unique for someone wanting to live, work and play downtown.
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"We also have the benifit of seeing downtown retailers P&L’s. "StrangerThings wrote:Current retailers downtown indicate the market can’t sustain more local retailers at the moment. We are almost there for major retail, but the right space has to be created. If you think Cordish is just going off the sales and data from the two tenants you listed, you severely underestimate them.KCPowercat wrote:Excited for them to join downtown and provide more choice to residents.
Let me tio you off to something though....garrment district and jos a bank arent "strong" indicators to overall downtown retail demands. Crown center as bad as it is would be a better indicator.
Your own comment says you are using your retailers data.
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Fart noise.
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StrangerThings wrote:Cordish has working relationships with almost every major retailer in the country. As much as you and I want more retail as downtown residents, it wouldn’t be very responsible of Cordish to add more unless it’s a major national brand.
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God, how many coworking spaces do we have already?!? Plow the new road or get out of the way. Poaching off an existing market doesn't add anything to DT.
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Okay. Proof is in the pudding and cordish hasn't brought the goods to this point. They said they needed housing first....they have hundreds of residents now in their own towers and thousands more in surrounding towers. No more excuses left. Thousands of tourist drop off at their doors with the streetcar per day....still...nothing of note.
All this announcement did today was water down another market...lol at not wanting to water down jos a. Bank market as the excuse for not bringing in retail.
All this announcement did today was water down another market...lol at not wanting to water down jos a. Bank market as the excuse for not bringing in retail.
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what a disappointment
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What a joke.
I pointed this out in October in the gerneal P&L thread... StrangerThings claimed it wasn't happening...
I pointed this out in October in the gerneal P&L thread... StrangerThings claimed it wasn't happening...
horizons82 wrote:FWIW, the cordish site already calls for (yet another) coworking space and "cafe" to come to Two Light:
Magically soon after that you had to have an account to view the leasing website.StrangerThings wrote:That's a little bit outdated. The co-working space is off the table, for now.....
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And the cafe....the one thing that might be a nice addition (Lord knows we don't have any lunch cafes downtown) remains unaannounced.
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You understand how many co-working space are downtown and open right now don't you?StrangerThings wrote:Considering they’re a major success in cities on the east and west coast combined with the fact that many young professionals are entrepreneurs who either live downtown or want to, this space is perfect. Young people more than ever want to live downtown, not own a vehicle and have everything within walking distance.beautyfromashes wrote:God, how many coworking spaces do we have already?!? Plow the new road or get out of the way. Poaching off an existing market doesn't add anything to DT.
“Poaching off an existing market”. I actually LOL’d on that one. Spark has always been planned to go in Two Light and the Baltimore location was opened two years ago. Many people strongly disagree with you, including the city Manager. This is the first NEW class-A office space since the H&R building. You’re right, doesn’t add anything to downtown.
Embarrassing the city manager showed up for this announcement honestly.
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You could literally put a coworking space in any building DT. Floor 36. Floor 50. It's already happening.StrangerThings wrote:
“Poaching off an existing market”. I actually LOL’d on that one. Spark has always been planned to go in Two Light and the Baltimore location was opened two years ago. Many people strongly disagree with you, including the city Manager. This is the first NEW class-A office space since the H&R building. You’re right, doesn’t add anything to downtown.
You took a prime location and wasted it. Congratulations, you took filet mignon, turned it into hamburger and then spout that everyone wants hamburgers.
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Yup and I'm on record saying if cordish can't deliver retail in three light it is a huge failure of this entire plan. Not saying the district as a whole is a failure but that would be a pretty significant black eye to cordish....they've been handed a blank slate to deliver....now is time to deliver.StrangerThings wrote:40,000 is the number everyone agrees is a sustainable population. We are at 30,000. Like I’ve continued to say, we are not there yet. Don’t you think Three Light would be a great location for a ground floor national retailer?KCPowercat wrote:Okay. Proof is in the pudding and cordish hasn't brought the goods to this point. They said they needed housing first....they have hundreds of residents now in their own towers and thousands more in surrounding towers. No more excuses left. Thousands of tourist drop off at their doors with the streetcar per day....still...nothing of note.
All this announcement did today was water down another market...lol at not wanting to water down jos a. Bank market as the excuse for not bringing in retail.
It’s not about excuses. Cordish would make a pretty penny off a lease to a national retailer, you think they don’t know that? It’s a long play and moving too fast can really hurt in the long run.
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The hype certainly didn’t live up to the announment IMO, however, this is the first business locating to P&L. The coworking space will bring white collar workers to the district that, adding some economic diversity, which is essential for any neighborhood to thrive.
If the announcement was tweeted rather than built up like this, I think the sentiment would be a bit lighter. Not an exciting announcement but also not a loss. I would consider this a win for P&L.
If the announcement was tweeted rather than built up like this, I think the sentiment would be a bit lighter. Not an exciting announcement but also not a loss. I would consider this a win for P&L.
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So watering down a well served market...all the while an underserved retail market isn't fulfilled....that's being a true leader in the neighborhood...congratsStrangerThings wrote:KCPowercat wrote:You understand how many co-working space are downtown and open right now don't you?StrangerThings wrote:
Considering they’re a major success in cities on the east and west coast combined with the fact that many young professionals are entrepreneurs who either live downtown or want to, this space is perfect. Young people more than ever want to live downtown, not own a vehicle and have everything within walking distance.
“Poaching off an existing market”. I actually LOL’d on that one. Spark has always been planned to go in Two Light and the Baltimore location was opened two years ago. Many people strongly disagree with you, including the city Manager. This is the first NEW class-A office space since the H&R building. You’re right, doesn’t add anything to downtown.
Embarrassing the city manager showed up for this announcement honestly.
Very aware. He actually called Walnut “incubator row” today. How many of those can you live in the same building? How many of those are in a brand new high rise? How many of those have worked with 300 companies in another market?
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Who is the 'you' here? Did the StrangerThings individual you all are harassing personally negotiate and ink the deal for the co-working space?beautyfromashes wrote:You could literally put a coworking space in any building DT. Floor 36. Floor 50. It's already happening.StrangerThings wrote:
“Poaching off an existing market”. I actually LOL’d on that one. Spark has always been planned to go in Two Light and the Baltimore location was opened two years ago. Many people strongly disagree with you, including the city Manager. This is the first NEW class-A office space since the H&R building. You’re right, doesn’t add anything to downtown.
You took a prime location and wasted it. Congratulations, you took filet mignon, turned it into hamburger and then spout that everyone wants hamburgers.
So, not everyone is going to personally benefit from this tenant. So what? If the business model at that location fails, the space will still be there ready to lease out to someone else.