Ramp metering coming to KC
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Re: Ramp metering coming to KC
It is always nice for KC to acquire big-city amenities like ramp-metering. They should add HOV/Express lanes on I-435, I-35 and I-70. This will really impress out-of-town visitors from places like Omaha, Joplin, Des Moines, etc.
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COSIGN.kcnewbie wrote: It is always nice for KC to acquire big-city amenities like ramp-metering. They should add HOV/Express lanes on I-435, I-35 and I-70. This will really impress out-of-town visitors from places like Omaha, Joplin, Des Moines, etc.
who fucking cares? this freeway needs to be destroyed rather than have expensive toys added.
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Ramp metering is a good thing, ESPECIALLY in KC where people simply can not get up to speed or merge onto freeways without causing problems. HOV lanes are a total waste of money and space, ESPECIALLY in a place like KC.
I've said it before and now after living in DC for a month, I'll say it again. Outside the north/south linear core of KCMO, there is zero need for commuter rail, HOV lanes etc in metro KC. None.
I feel like a broken record here, but once again.
Build a light rail or modern street car or BRT spine in the RCP, then build a high quality, comprehensive bus system that primarily uses existing infrastructure (shoulders etc). And you have something.
But I look forward to the ramp metering in KC. Getting on highways in KC is just so dangerous. I think most things about KC drivers are pretty average, but there are a few exceptions.
Not being able to get on a freeway is number one and forcing the people that do know how to follow suit. Followed by excessive cell phone use and then simply driving unnecessarily slow on freeways, especially in left lanes.
There is nothing worse or more dangerous than having to follow somebody up (or even down) a ramp onto a busy urban freeway going 40mph. Nothing. Hopefully they meter the ramps 24/7.
I've said it before and now after living in DC for a month, I'll say it again. Outside the north/south linear core of KCMO, there is zero need for commuter rail, HOV lanes etc in metro KC. None.
I feel like a broken record here, but once again.
Build a light rail or modern street car or BRT spine in the RCP, then build a high quality, comprehensive bus system that primarily uses existing infrastructure (shoulders etc). And you have something.
But I look forward to the ramp metering in KC. Getting on highways in KC is just so dangerous. I think most things about KC drivers are pretty average, but there are a few exceptions.
Not being able to get on a freeway is number one and forcing the people that do know how to follow suit. Followed by excessive cell phone use and then simply driving unnecessarily slow on freeways, especially in left lanes.
There is nothing worse or more dangerous than having to follow somebody up (or even down) a ramp onto a busy urban freeway going 40mph. Nothing. Hopefully they meter the ramps 24/7.
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Re: Ramp metering coming to KC
Agree 100%.GRID wrote: Ramp metering is a good thing, ESPECIALLY in KC where people simply can not get up to speed or merge onto freeways without causing problems. HOV lanes are a total waste of money and space, ESPECIALLY in a place like KC.
I've said it before and now after living in DC for a month, I'll say it again. Outside the north/south linear core of KCMO, there is zero need for commuter rail, HOV lanes etc in metro KC. None.
I feel like a broken record here, but once again.
Build a light rail or modern street car or BRT spine in the RCP, then build a high quality, comprehensive bus system that primarily uses existing infrastructure (shoulders etc). And you have something.
But I look forward to the ramp metering in KC. Getting on highways in KC is just so dangerous. I think most things about KC drivers are pretty average, but there are a few exceptions.
Not being able to get on a freeway is number one and forcing the people that do know how to follow suit. Followed by excessive cell phone use and then simply driving unnecessarily slow on freeways, especially in left lanes.
There is nothing worse or more dangerous than having to follow somebody up (or even down) a ramp onto a busy urban freeway going 40mph. Nothing. Hopefully they meter the ramps 24/7.
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Only because the assholes on the freeway are going 70 in a 45...GRID wrote:There is nothing worse or more dangerous than having to follow somebody up (or even down) a ramp onto a busy urban freeway going 40mph. Nothing. Hopefully they meter the ramps 24/7.
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I think stomach cancer would probably be worse.GRID wrote:There is nothing worse or more dangerous than having to follow somebody up (or even down) a ramp onto a busy urban freeway going 40mph. Nothing.
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looks like work has started on these on 435 and Roe.
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forgot to mention i saw what looked like a completed ramp meter (no crossing arm, just lights?) at eastbound on-ramp of 435 and wornall over the weekend.
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ones in Milwaukee are just lights, no arms
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no arms on these (or any other ramp meters i've ever seen), just lights. the delay is usually only 3-6 seconds. a moving arm would take longer than that.
they look like they're on schedule for november. it'll be freaking hilarious the first day these turn on. "OMG WHAT DO I DO?!"
they look like they're on schedule for november. it'll be freaking hilarious the first day these turn on. "OMG WHAT DO I DO?!"
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i've seen arms in LA or phoenix, can't remember which. they were tiny, like in a parking garage. that was years ago, however.
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Don't worry, they'll probably have photo cameras too, which will in turn cause more accidents via rear ending bumper fucks, just like they do on normal intersections.DaveKCMO wrote: forgot to mention i saw what looked like a completed ramp meter (no crossing arm, just lights?) at eastbound on-ramp of 435 and wornall over the weekend.
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you guys are too cynical. They actually do work.
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actually, we did see a camera. looked just like the red light cameras KCMO is using.PumpkinStalker wrote: Don't worry, they'll probably have photo cameras too, which will in turn cause more accidents via rear ending bumper fucks, just like they do on normal intersections.
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Rear end collisions are much better than T-Bone collisions, which kill people. A few more fender benders in exchange for a dramatic drop in serious, deadly crashes is a pretty good tradeoff.PumpkinStalker wrote: Don't worry, they'll probably have photo cameras too, which will in turn cause more accidents via rear ending bumper fucks, just like they do on normal intersections.
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Absolutely. However, studies I've heard about say that longer yellow lights accomplish the same thing and have the least rate of accidents of all methods. I'm not sure I can find any proof online, but I remember hearing it somewhere.dangerboy wrote: Rear end collisions are much better than T-Bone collisions, which kill people. A few more fender benders in exchange for a dramatic drop in serious, deadly crashes is a pretty good tradeoff.
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Found some support...feel free to move to a red light camera thread.
And another...
And besides. If you get rear ended because you stopped too abruptly, and someone pushes you out into the intersection, a t-bone could still occur.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123975737976619187.html"Even defenders of photo enforcement acknowledge studies showing that red-light cameras (which are designed to be conspicuous to motorists) lead to an increase in rear-end collisions as drivers slam on the brakes. Defenders claim the trade-off is still a net gain because of reduced deadly T-bones in the middle of the intersection. But the real lesson may be that both types of accidents would be reduced by a longer yellow."
And another...
http://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/200 ... 154_1.html"One Way to Reduce Red Light Running: Longer Yellow Lights
Researchers have found that longer yellow lights result in drivers running red lights less frequently. For example, one study by the Texas Transportation Institute found that an increase in yellow light duration of 1 second corresponds to a 40 percent reduction in crashes.
Intuitively, this makes sense. The extended time gives drivers more time to make decisions and gives drivers that are close to the light more time to make it through the light without concern. Drivers that are further away from the light have more notice that they need to stop."
And besides. If you get rear ended because you stopped too abruptly, and someone pushes you out into the intersection, a t-bone could still occur.
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We don't have arms. We usually have two little lanes and the lights are just long enough to pull up and come to a complete stop while the other light next to you is turning. The car ahead of you is usually about to the end of the ramp when you start moving. It doesn't work badly here.DaveKCMO wrote: i've seen arms in LA or phoenix, can't remember which. they were tiny, like in a parking garage. that was years ago, however.
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saw these are ready to go at 435 and Wornall. Can't wait to see the JOCO grandma's/Cougars struggle with these.
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