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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:56 am
How close are they to beginning any work on the expansion? Is there a timeline on it or are they waiting for this years rounds of possible federal funding?
Expansion thread is here: https://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18833

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Thank you Dave
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KC Streetcar:

2019 had a total of 2,228,942 rides, bringing the grand total of 7,808,818 passenger trips since opening day. There was a 5% increase in total ridership from 2018 & 2019

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It's a fad.

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“Tourist frou-frou”

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Toy Train that isn't useful for anyone.

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And we wouldn't be talking about free fare bus if this wasn't so successful.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the extensions to the Riverfront and UMKC double ridership on the Streetcar. You'll be connecting a lot more things.

I'm looking forward to it.

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Chris Stritzel wrote:
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I wouldn't be surprised if the extensions to the Riverfront and UMKC double ridership on the Streetcar. You'll be connecting a lot more things.

I'm looking forward to it.
More than quadruple. Combined they would more than triple the length and you would expect non users along the current line to find a reason to ride with more destinations available.

It's the network effect, the value of the network grows more than the sum of it's parts.

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The streetcar had highest ridership in country per mile (edit: according to Streetcar Authority a while back), which isn't hard to do when so short and free to ride. Will probably still be high with the extension but maybe not as high per mile. The hotel/residential/biz presence within two blocks of downtown stretch is far higher than through rest of stretch (at this time). Though if free bus ridership jumps it would feed into the streetcar spine.
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earthling wrote:
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The streetcar had highest ridership in country per mile, which isn't hard to do when so short and free to ride.
Comparing light rail systems of similar size

Kc’s 6448 per day is 2930 per mile per day

The San Francisco historic trolleys have around 3020 per mile per day

So it’s arguably not the most ridership when small and if you look bigger it’s definently not. There’s light rail systems at double ridership per mile

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earthling wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:37 pm
And we wouldn't be talking about free fare bus if this wasn't so successful.
Correct. You're welcome.

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Who is in charge of counting the riders ?

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Imarealperson wrote:
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Who is in charge of counting the riders ?
Riders are counted by automated passenger counters installed over every door. They are highly accurate (with slight under-counting) and counts are checked manually by KCATA staff in accordance with FTA regulations.

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Thanks

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Riders are counted by automated passenger counters installed over every door. They are highly accurate (with slight under-counting) and counts are checked manually by KCATA staff in accordance with FTA regulations.
At what percentage do they undercount? Less than 1% or a little more?
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Lots of ice this morning. Delayed start with bus bridge ("streetcar link"). One bus + one streetcar later in the morning, then two streetcars running limited service (15-20m headways) by about 1pm.

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Buses dont cut headways during snow events do they?

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KCPowercat wrote:
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Buses dont cut headways during snow events do they?
Depends. If we're unable to get operators safely to the depot, then we'll have to skip runs.

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It's not the norm though. Seems the streetcar reduces service in bad weather as a norm. That wasn't my expectation. It will become a bigger problem as we expand and its being relied on more for commuting.

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